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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Good study, I would suppose whats missing is the impact of "nutrient pollution".
    Also missing are possible solutions beyond tax it and hope it goes away.

    I could be for a temporary tax that established infrastructure that would eliminate or ameliorate the problem, but we both know that isnt whats going to happen.
    Basically the two primary pollutants are nitrogen and phosphorus. Although both nitrogen and phosphorus are primary plant nutrients, an overabundance of them contributes to algae blooms, which upset the balance in the ecosystem. An overabundance of algae makes it difficult for flora and fauna that reside underneath the surface of the water to get oxygen.
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    From what I can tell its every time it rains? I don't really know.
    It's attached to the property tax.
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Basically the two primary pollutants are nitrogen and phosphorus. Although both nitrogen and phosphorus are primary plant nutrients, an overabundance of them contributes to algae blooms, which upset the balance in the ecosystem. An overabundance of algae makes it difficult for flora and fauna that reside underneath the surface of the water to get oxygen.
    ~60% of the water flowing into the Bay comes from the Susquehanna River, the majority of which runs through Pa and NY. Unless those other States do something about their run off, taxing people who contribute a tiny fraction of the harmful run off will absolutely no effect on the Bay. It will give Annapolis a lot more money to spread around to their friends though.
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    ~60% of the water flowing into the Bay comes from the Susquehanna River, the majority of which runs through Pa and NY. Unless those other States do something about their run off, taxing people who contribute a tiny fraction of the harmful run off will absolutely no effect on the Bay. It will give Annapolis a lot more money to spread around to their friends though.
    Okay, but Annapolis can't very well asses taxes on PA Delaware WV and NY, now can it? If your criticism is that the tax burden is being unevenly distributed, I can totally agree with that, but it's one thing to sit on your ass and criticize and another to come up with a real solution.
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Okay, but Annapolis can't very well asses taxes on PA Delaware WV and NY, now can it? If your criticism is that the tax burden is being unevenly distributed, I can totally agree with that, but it's one thing to sit on your ass and criticize and another to come up with a real solution.
    My critism is that the tax will not do anything it is suppose to be being enacted for and the money will be wasted on other things more important to getting the politicians re-relected, just like the billions of dollars wasted on Saving the Bay have been over the past 40 years have been.

    Are you sying that we can't criticize an obviously failure of an idea unless we have the 'real' solution? Doing nothing will end up with the same result as paying this tax, how about saving money as the real solution then?
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Could we possibly make the tax revenue contingent on Maryland canning those god awful uniforms they keep slapping onto the Terps football team the past few years?

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The tax isn't based on the amount of rain, it is based on the size of buildings and pavement on a property. I believe the idea is that buildings and pavements prevent water from seeping underground where natural processes can filter out many toxics. Rain water that runs off into storm drains that do not not connect to a sewage treatment facilities end up washing toxics into the bay. Presumably the tax will be used to treat the storm water before it enters the bay.
    Again, the less it rains, the higher the concentration of pollutants. A major effort has been made across the country to separate storm drain run off from sewage to avoid treatment of storm water. I'll be anxious to see exactly how they intend to achieve this "treatment". If one is intent on lowering pollution, then the obvious solution involves reducing pollutants. Period.

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    Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    I just don't understand how taking money from people is going to all of a sudden stop the pollutants? Am I missing something?

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    What about the air we breath?

    Certainly that deserves a tax of some sort.

    Let's call it the "respiratory usage fee."
    Didn't they already do that with Obamacare?If you exist inthe US, you have to pay a tax. Isn't that the same thing?

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    From what I can tell its every time it rains? I don't really know.
    Sounds more like mandatory flood insurance. Which is one of those things that is somewhat acceptable to me, because in case of a major flood the government has to end up paying for those who do not have insurance anyways.

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