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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    OC - Maryland like most other coastal areas has a lot of water. No matter where you live, whether that be in the countryside or in the suburbs, you're going to have a creek or a riving basically running through your backyard - all part of the Chesapeake Bay watershed. And people here love their lawns.
    SB...I live in the heart of farm country in central Illinois (part of the Mississippi River watershed), I understand runoff.

    I also understand that the purpose of fertilizing a lawn is to have it absorbed by the grass. Im not buying the creek in every backyard thats anecdotal evidence you can't possibly support and seems pretty far fetched. If you care to post something supporting that suburban pollutant use is causing significant harm to the watershed and water table to support this crappy law, it would do a lot more to convince me.

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    What if the only thing that runs off is the actual rain water?

    This bill makes NO sense as it excludes the entire Eastern shore where most of the harmful runoff that is generated in Maryland comes from. It does keep MOM from raising income taxes in the same year he is raising the gasoline tax, along with numerous other taxes and fees.
    If that's the case then your criticism has some merit to it, you got a source for that?
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    SB...I live in the heart of farm country in central Illinois (part of the Mississippi River watershed), I understand runoff.

    I also understand that the purpose of fertilizing a lawn is to have it absorbed by the grass. Im not buying the creek in every backyard thats anecdotal evidence you can't possibly support and seems pretty far fetched. If you care to post something supporting that suburban pollutant use is causing significant harm to the watershed and water table to support this crappy law, it would do a lot more to convince me.
    So far this is what I could find:

    Sources of Pollution: Chesapeake Bay |
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If that's the case then your criticism has some merit to it, you got a source for that?
    Lot of big commercial farms on the Western Shore? Lot of big animal farms in Baltimore City, Howard County, Baltimore County? There are on the Eastern shore, in fact their economy is based on them, but the old rain tax is being applied by population which is about as stupid as you can apply it.

    "Why is agriculture important?
    Agricultural land covers nearly one-quarter of the Chesapeake Bay watershed. There are more than 87,000 farm operations and 6.5 million acres of cropland here. Farms in the Bay watershed produce more than 50 commodities, including corn, wheat, soybeans, fruits and vegetables. Agriculture is essential; farms supply us with meat, milk, grains, eggs and vegetables

    How does agriculture affect the Chesapeake Bay?
    Agriculture is the largest single source of nutrient and sediment pollution to the Bay and its rivers. Common farming practices such as applying fertilizer and tilling soil can contribute harmful pollution to the Bay and its local waterways."

    Agriculture - Chesapeake Bay Program
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    According to figures I have seen the average citizen, (Not, the infamous wealthy mind you) we pay an estimated 59.2% of our total income toward taxation of some sort from the local dog licence tax, to gas taxes, to taxes on certain groceries....How much more can the government take without the citizens saying ENOUGH!
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Lot of big commercial farms on the Western Shore? Lot of big animal farms in Baltimore City, Howard County, Baltimore County? Ther are on the Eastern shore, in fact their economy is based on them.

    "Why is agriculture important?
    Agricultural land covers nearly one-quarter of the Chesapeake Bay watershed. There are more than 87,000 farm operations and 6.5 million acres of cropland here. Farms in the Bay watershed produce more than 50 commodities, including corn, wheat, soybeans, fruits and vegetables. Agriculture is essential; farms supply us with meat, milk, grains, eggs and vegetables

    How does agriculture affect the Chesapeake Bay?
    Agriculture is the largest single source of nutrient and sediment pollution to the Bay and its rivers. Common farming practices such as applying fertilizer and tilling soil can contribute harmful pollution to the Bay and its local waterways."

    Agriculture - Chesapeake Bay Program
    I meant where does it say that the Eastern Shore is being excluded.
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How much more can the government take without the citizens saying ENOUGH!
    In Maryland the limit is "How much do you still have?"
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So far this is what I could find:

    Sources of Pollution: Chesapeake Bay |
    Good study, I would suppose whats missing is the impact of "nutrient pollution".
    Also missing are possible solutions beyond tax it and hope it goes away.

    I could be for a temporary tax that established infrastructure that would eliminate or ameliorate the problem, but we both know that isnt whats going to happen.

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I meant where does it say that the Eastern Shore is being excluded.
    No counties on the Eastern shore will be subject to the tax. It's being applied to the 10 largest counties by POPULATION, as if the number of people had anything to do with how much harmful run off is generated.

    "The 10 areas affected by the “rain tax” include Montgomery, Prince George’s, Howard, Anne Arundel, Carroll, Hartford, Charles, Frederick, Baltimore counties, and Baltimore city."

    Here’s What’s Included in Maryland’s Controversial ‘Rain Tax’ (It’s Exactly What It Sounds Like) | TheBlaze.com
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    this is what's called being progressive.

    lol!!
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