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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You can disagree with how a specific Pigouvian tax is implemented, or you can disagree with the necessity of a specific tax, but saying "I don't agree with the idea of Pigouvian taxes in general" means you are either ignorant or a blind market fundamentalist.
    I can disagree with whatever I feel like disagreeing with as long as long it's logical to do so. Yes, I do not believe in the government meddling in the market to get the results in desires no matter the harm being done. It's one thing when we are talking about protecting the rights of people from business activities, but I will never agree with ideas that push forward the governments solution to the problems facing business or putting forth taxes to lower demand of certain market activities. Sorry, but some of us do not feel the government has any business directing the market where it wants it to go.

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Well, now you've done it! I'm suddenly hungry for steamed crab! Darn you anyway, cause I live in NE Ohio, and it just doesn't taste the same here, even with the beer and paper towels thrown in...although that certainly doesn't hurt! :
    Let us know when you get that crab shack built! I'll stop by on my way to Florida...Hey, if you can't depend on your fellow posters, what's the use in even trying...

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Let us know when you get that crab shack built! I'll stop by on my way to Florida...Hey, if you can't depend on your fellow posters, what's the use in even trying...
    Oh absolutely! We'd love to have you...Heck, even we don't have a commercial business going, we still buy our own live crabs here, and steam them ourselves, then hang at the poolside, eat crab, drink beer, and enjoy....
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You explained it alright, but it still came out sounding stupid.
    Then if you are interested in having a real discussion/debate, it is incumbent upon you to stop being lazy and point out where and how exactly it was stupid. The site is called DEBATE politics, not "stay on my lazy ass and call other people's argument stupid without giving a real argument of my own."

    So let's tax rain!
    More laziness and failure of reading comprehension. The tax is based on a calculation of how much runoff surface (in square feet) exists on each property. How much runoff a specific property produces is directly proportional to its contribution to polluting the Chesapeake Bay watershed.

    I understand it fine and I like it or not I made no mistake. You just support the government engineering the market and society as a whole to it's own desires by taxing people.
    No, I see a necessity for government to get involved because I recognize the reality that the market mechanism by itself doesn't always produce the best outcomes. That social costs are not always included in market costs, something that based on your posting history you clearly fail to grasp.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I can disagree with whatever I feel like disagreeing with as long as long it's logical to do so. Yes, I do not believe in the government meddling in the market to get the results in desires no matter the harm being done. It's one thing when we are talking about protecting the rights of people from business activities, but I will never agree with ideas that push forward the governments solution to the problems facing business or putting forth taxes to lower demand of certain market activities. Sorry, but some of us do not feel the government has any business directing the market where it wants it to go.
    You're not being logical. You're being an ideologue.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    That is exactly what we thought
    From a number of posts it was pretty apparent that people were confused due to the misleading and biased blog post title and led to believe that this is actually a tax on rain. It is not.

    and exactly WHY its stupid.
    It'd be nice if you could elaborate.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Then if you are interested in having a real discussion/debate, it is incumbent upon you to stop being lazy and point out where and how exactly it was stupid. The site is called DEBATE politics, not "stay on my lazy ass and call other people's argument stupid without giving a real argument of my own."
    I already did. Read my posts in the thread.


    More laziness and failure of reading comprehension. The tax is based on a calculation of how much runoff surface (in square feet) exists on each property. How much runoff a specific property produces is directly proportional to its contribution to polluting the Chesapeake Bay watershed.
    I understand it fine. You're treating the runoff caused by rain to be the problem, when the fact remains its the pollutant that is the problem, not the runoff. There is no point in talking to someone that can't see that.

    No, I see a necessity for government to get involved because I recognize the reality that the market mechanism by itself doesn't always produce the best outcomes. That social costs are not always included in market costs, something that based on your posting history you clearly fail to grasp.
    Oh so its social costs that matter to you and not so much liberty. Thanks for revealing the obvious. You can agree with taxing personal decisions if you want due to social costs, but I will not agree with such nonsense.

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You're not being logical. You're being an ideologue.
    No, there is no logic behind the idea that people are better off with the government protecting the people against themselves by punishing them for behavior the government doesn't agree with. Just like the people are not better off by the government subsidizing market activity so that people do what the government wants them to do.

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh absolutely! We'd love to have you...Heck, even we don't have a commercial business going, we still buy our own live crabs here, and steam them ourselves, then hang at the poolside, eat crab, drink beer, and enjoy....
    Some people just know how to live the good life...

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    Re: Maryland decides to tax residents when it rains

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I already did. Read my posts in the thread.




    I understand it fine. You're treating the runoff caused by rain to be the problem, when the fact remains its the pollutant that is the problem, not the runoff. There is no point in talking to someone that can't see that.
    Actually, it's both. The pollutant itself is a problem, but it's effect would be far less magnified if surface runoff didn't concentrate its effects. Not to mention that even in the absence of pollution, runoff contributes to erosion and deposition.

    Oh so its social costs that matter to you and not so much liberty. Thanks for revealing the obvious. You can agree with taxing personal decisions if you want due to social costs, but I will not agree with such nonsense.
    It's only nonsense to you because my conception of "liberty" isn't so narrow as to only include freedom from government coercion, but also the realization that infringements on freedom can occur from private entities as well, market activity often being one of them.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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