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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullshark View Post
    This is pretty much how i feel (except there are certain firearms that the public shouldn't have access to-i.e rocket launchers) the only trouble is determining what makes a person "insane" or "crazy". In psychology there is no definition for insane or crazy, so the first thing to be discussed is finding an objective definition for insane. The next thing to be discussed is how to determine if a person meets that definition when conducting a background check; disorders such as schizophrenia, that would probably fall under the definition of insane, could go for decades without being discovered in a person. So for most incidences of an "insane" person going on a shooting spree, no one could have predicted that they were insane until the incident happens.

    Its pretty complex, probably why congress and the senate haven't tried to discuss it yet.
    Preventing those who have already been in the mental health system from legally obtaining guns would be easy. Those who have never been in the system would still get access to them. It's the best we can do without going medieval on the Bill of Rights. But, we should also realize that the world is not a Utopia. Crap will happen, even under the best of circumstances. We will never be able to make things perfect. There will still be people hurting others. All we can do is tamp it down a little bit. Going further than that means America no longer exists.
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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm afraid the emotional children are all on the gun side. Going ballistic because you might need a background check if you buy guns on the internet or at gun shows is pretty infantile I fact. Use you head about this one for a change.
    Care to explain how one can buy a gun off the internet now without a background check ??

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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

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    Care to explain how one can buy a gun off the internet now without a background check ??
    How about armslist.com?


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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    After 20 years we will finally be getting a vote on significant gun legislation. The NRA juggernaut is weakening and we will hear from the people instead.
    I think this is important for two reasons. First it makes it possible the legislation could actually pass. Second, if it doesn't pass we have a the record of who voted against it to use in the upcoming election in 2014.
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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Where, in the Constitution, is there any language which allows government any authority to pick and choose who is or is not entitled to any of the rights affirmed in the Bill of Rights? .
    Again with that nonsense. There is no need in the amendment for a specific exclusion of minor children, felons OR the insane. It is called settled law and it has been on the books for years. Talk about living in the past.

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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How about armslist.com?
    That is a transaction between individuals.

    Even so, it would be impossible to buy a gun from another individual on this site unless you travel to pick the gun up. If you ship it, it has to go to a dealer where a background check will be required. In that case, it is no different than buying one through a classified in the local newspaper.

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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That is a transaction between individuals.

    Even so, it would be impossible to buy a gun from another individual on this site unless you travel to pick the gun up. If you ship it, it has to go to a dealer where a background check will be required. In that case, it is no different than buying one through a classified in the local newspaper.
    You act like picking a gun up from a seller is difficult or something. Finding a gun you want nearby and drive there. You now bought a gun thru the internet with no background check. It's all the rage now.

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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I think our gun laws do need to be discussed, and here is how I would like to see it turn out:

    1) Limiting availability of certain types of weapons? NO!! Whatever guns are made illegal, it won't stop the criminals from continuing to obtain them. So why shouldn't law abiding Americans have the same access to them, LEGALLY? Therefore, I am against any form of gun control. I do not see what the problem is with those who call themselves Liberal here.
    How far up the chain of firepower does this concept apply? Grenade launchers? Stinger missiles? Tanks?

    2) Background checks - YES!! After all, we do want to make it harder for crazies and criminals to obtain guns, and provide very stiff penalties to those who obtain guns illegally. I am very much in favor of background checks. Does this stance go along with the Second Amendment? Of course it does. Criminals and insane people do not have Second Amendment rights. It's very much like the states who take away voting rights of criminals. Felons, especially violent felons, should not be allowed to own firearms. Period. I don't see what the problem is with people who call themselves Conservative here.
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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You act like picking a gun up from a seller is difficult or something. Finding a gun you want nearby and drive there. You now bought a gun thru the internet with no background check. It's all the rage now.
    How is that different than buying one listed in a classified from our local libearl newspaper?

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    Re: Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That is a transaction between individuals.

    Even so, it would be impossible to buy a gun from another individual on this site unless you travel to pick the gun up. If you ship it, it has to go to a dealer where a background check will be required. In that case, it is no different than buying one through a classified in the local newspaper.
    In state sales. No background check. No shipping. No dealer involved
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