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Obama sends Congress $3.77T spending plan, riles both sides

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And you feel that the policies of Imperial China equate to the situation facing the United States today? Or is it your claim that change, any change, is good?

Nope. Never said that. Like I said I was just trying to make a general point.

I think our problem is more of a parallel to the 1920's though, if you'd really like to know.
 
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Are ARM's illegal today? I think not as I have one. If you're too stupid to understand what you're signing, don't sign...

Wrong. Balloon rates are not the same as ARMS which are pegged to other indices. Balloon rates were predestined to rise no matter what the "Prime Rate" and if Borrower noticed they were simply told that they could refinance in 2 years before the balloon rates took effect. Some did just that until the music stopped and they were out of chairs. Like I said the Bush subprimes were illegal in many States, written to fail, and given the GOP stamp of approval.
 
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Wrong. Balloon rates are not the same as ARMS which are pegged to other indices. Balloon rates were predestined to rise no matter what the "Prime Rate" and if Borrowers noticed they were simply told that they could refinance in 2 years before the balloon rates took effect. Some did just that until the music stopped and they were out of chairs. Like I said, illegal in many States, written to fail, and given the GOP stamp of approval.

Was there any part of "If you're too stupid to understand what you're signing, don't sign..." that you misunderstood?
 
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Not opinion, but fact. China failed to modernize and could not compete with western nations in the 1800's. This caused the British to thrash the Chinese in the First Opium war, Leaving them vulnerable to the west for the rest of the century. You criticize another for not knowing history, but you don't even know it yourself.

You still haven't given me an example of a great nation succumbed to their liberal policies. You said there were several so i'm sure it won't be hard.


You want Chinese wages here? Didn't think so. China is a Communist country. Nations succumbing to liberal policies are France, Greece, Cyprus, Ireland, Italy, want me to go on? All you have to is look at unemployment, GDP growth, debt
 
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Nope. Never said that. Like I said I was just trying to make a general point.

I think our problem is more of a parallel to the 1920's though, if you'd really like to know.

That's a better point, thanks, and you might be right.

People weren't nearly as dependent on government then as they are now, and have fewer valuable skills.There'll be hell if you're correct.
 
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And here's the chart you want to ignore.

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The decline in labor participation started in 2002.

It's not because of government policies, it's a long-term demographic and structural shift.

Looks like a good climb before the Democrats took control of Congress and the participation rate is lower today than it was when the recession ended and continues to slide
 
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Was there any part of "If you're too stupid to understand what you're signing, don't sign..." that you misunderstood?

The bankers with the cash were SURE it would all work out and they should be the one that knew about handling money so what did borrowers have to worry about? That's why we have laws against such predatory loan scams, too bad the Bush Administration allowed the banks to disregard them. Scamming the poor and middle class is a sport for Republicans apparently.
Eliot Spitzer - Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
 
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The bankers with the cash were SURE it would all work out and they should be the one that knew about handling money so what did borrowers have to worry about? That's why we have laws against such predatory loan scams, too bad the Bush Administration allowed the banks to disregard them. Scamming the poor and middle class is a sport for Republicans apparently.
Eliot Spitzer - Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime

History did not begin with George Bush.

Obama pushed banks to give subprime loans to Chicago blacks | The Daily Caller
 
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The bankers with the cash were SURE it would all work out and they should be the one that knew about handling money so what did borrowers have to worry about? That's why we have laws against such predatory loan scams, too bad the Bush Administration allowed the banks to disregard them. Scamming the poor and middle class is a sport for Republicans apparently.
Eliot Spitzer - Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime

Would you tell me where I can speak with one of Spitzer's hookers? Would you sign anything you didn't understand, and do you believe that the practice only occurred under Bush? Oh wait a minute, you might not know the answer to one , but you do know the answer to the other question...
 
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You want Chinese wages here? Didn't think so. China is a Communist country. Nations succumbing to liberal policies are France, Greece, Cyprus, Ireland, Italy, want me to go on? All you have to is look at unemployment, GDP growth, debt

When did I ever say i wanted Chinese wages?!?? I was referencing the decline and fall of Imperial China in the late 1800's and the early 1900's! China didn't become communist until 1949. If China had modernized like Japan had they likely wouldn't be communist.

What has caused our current international economic and political situation are lassiez-faire economic policies supported generally by conservatives. Another parallel to the 1920's and 30's.
 
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Would you tell me where I can speak with one of Spitzer's hookers? Would you sign anything you didn't understand, and do you believe that the practice only occurred under Bush? Oh wait a minute, you might not know the answer to one , but you do know the answer to the other question...

Shoot the messenger if you want but it doesn't change the facts. and yes it was unprecedented.
 
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That's a better point, thanks, and you might be right.

People weren't nearly as dependent on government then as they are now, and have fewer valuable skills.There'll be hell if you're correct.

The focus I see is that there is more money pooling in certain places and less money flowing through the economy. The capital is there, it's just not moving, or at least not moving in America.
 
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Please sign any and all online petitions re the Social Security cuts being proposed by President Obama and please contact your state officials.................
 
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Looks like a good climb before the Democrats took control of Congress....
Are you not actually reading the chart?

Participation increased fairly steadily from 1963 to the early 90s. Most of it is women joining the worforce, fast enough to offset a gradual drop in male participation. Democrats had the majority in Congress almost every year between 1933 to 1995. Republicans had the majority from 1996 to 2007 (except the Senate in 2001 and 2002).

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For a guy who gives other people such a hard time about "not knowing history," you need to catch up on a few things.


the participation rate is lower today than it was when the recession ended and continues to slide
Yes, but again, it's been sliding since around 2002.

Some of the drop since 2008 is due to recessionary conditions. The problem
 
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The focus I see is that there is more money pooling in certain places and less money flowing through the economy. The capital is there, it's just not moving, or at least not moving in America.

Right. There is just too much uncertainty.

I believe a lot of money may be moving out of the country as well.
 
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Slow down, I was agreeing...

Have you signed any online petitions today opposing Obama planned SS cuts ?
 
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3.77 trillion when we are broke isn't a winning budget or stance

See that is the problem with your party. This all or nothing stance you guys have has gotten us nowhere in deficit reduction. This was proven in the fiscal cliff fiasco. You had Obama willing to give on 1 trillion in cuts but no you guys said that it wasn't enough. At the end of the day, you got zero.

And here you guys go again. The president is trying to compromise with the right by now putting up real entitlement reform. He is taking on a lot of heat from his party and you guys want to b**** and say that he is not being realistic.

I am convince that it is not about the debt or entitlement with people like you. It is about your manufacture hate for this president. You refuse to see him succeed even if it meant sacrificing things you want which is pretty pathetic.
 
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See that is the problem with your party. This all or nothing stance you guys have has gotten us nowhere in deficit reduction. This was proven in the fiscal cliff fiasco. You had Obama willing to give on 1 trillion in cuts but no you guys said that it wasn't enough. At the end of the day, you got zero.

And here you guys go again. The president is trying to compromise with the right by now putting up real entitlement reform. He is taking on a lot of heat from his party and you guys want to b**** and say that he is not being realistic.

I am convince that it is not about the debt or entitlement with people like you. It is about your manufacture hate for this president. You refuse to see him succeed even if it meant sacrificing things you want which is pretty pathetic.

My party? I am a conservative, not a Republican, but the Republican Party is closer to my point of view than today's Democrat Party. I grew up a JFK Democrat and heard one of the best Inaugeral address ever when JFK took office something today's Democratic Party ignores.

There are not budget cuts by Obama so stop buying the lies. He says he is slowing the growth of spending and the 3.77 trillion dollar budget shows that. Where are the cuts in that budget?

You see, you and so many others buy the Obama rhetoric because that is what you want to do. Stop buying the rhetoric and look at the results. When you cannot win the intellectual argument you resort to charges of hatred and racism. This President's policies are economic disasters, pro govt. growth, pro entitlements. That isn't what this country was built on
 
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My party? I am a conservative, not a Republican, but the Republican Party is closer to my point of view than today's Democrat Party. I grew up a JFK Democrat and heard one of the best Inaugeral address ever when JFK took office something today's Democratic Party ignores.

There are not budget cuts by Obama so stop buying the lies. He says he is slowing the growth of spending and the 3.77 trillion dollar budget shows that. Where are the cuts in that budget?

You see, you and so many others buy the Obama rhetoric because that is what you want to do. Stop buying the rhetoric and look at the results. When you cannot win the intellectual argument you resort to charges of hatred and racism. This President's policies are economic disasters, pro govt. growth, pro entitlements. That isn't what this country was built on

First let me make something perfectly clear. I didn't charge you with any type of racism so please do not put words in my mouth. I don't understand why you brought up race anyway.

Second, you will have to be a complete fool to believe that you will get 100% of what you want in a two party governing system. Hell Reagan even knew that. It takes compromise. And when the President place his neck out there and place Social Security and medicare on the table, you can at least say hey at least this guy is trying to work with me.
 
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First let me make something perfectly clear. I didn't charge you with any type of racism so please do not put words in my mouth. I don't understand why you brought up race anyway.

Second, you will have to be a complete fool to believe that you will get 100% of what you want in a two party governing system. Hell Reagan even knew that. It takes compromise. And when the President place his neck out there and place Social Security and medicare on the table, you can at least say hey at least this guy is trying to work with me.

Why is SS and Medicare on the table when there are tons of cuts available through discretionary spending?

Could it be that Obama only wants the GOP to threaten these two popular programs?
 
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why is ss and medicare on the table when there are tons of cuts available through discretionary spending?

Could it be that obama only wants the gop to threaten these two popular programs?


because that is what the republicans wanted on the table man !!!!! Where have you been !!!!!!
 
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