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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where's your problem?
    Slow down, I was agreeing...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

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    Looks like a good climb before the Democrats took control of Congress....
    Are you not actually reading the chart?

    Participation increased fairly steadily from 1963 to the early 90s. Most of it is women joining the worforce, fast enough to offset a gradual drop in male participation. Democrats had the majority in Congress almost every year between 1933 to 1995. Republicans had the majority from 1996 to 2007 (except the Senate in 2001 and 2002).



    For a guy who gives other people such a hard time about "not knowing history," you need to catch up on a few things.


    the participation rate is lower today than it was when the recession ended and continues to slide
    Yes, but again, it's been sliding since around 2002.

    Some of the drop since 2008 is due to recessionary conditions. The problem

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Slow down, I was agreeing...
    My apologies. It seemed ambiguous.

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    The focus I see is that there is more money pooling in certain places and less money flowing through the economy. The capital is there, it's just not moving, or at least not moving in America.
    Right. There is just too much uncertainty.

    I believe a lot of money may be moving out of the country as well.

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Slow down, I was agreeing...
    Have you signed any online petitions today opposing Obama planned SS cuts ?

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    3.77 trillion when we are broke isn't a winning budget or stance
    See that is the problem with your party. This all or nothing stance you guys have has gotten us nowhere in deficit reduction. This was proven in the fiscal cliff fiasco. You had Obama willing to give on 1 trillion in cuts but no you guys said that it wasn't enough. At the end of the day, you got zero.

    And here you guys go again. The president is trying to compromise with the right by now putting up real entitlement reform. He is taking on a lot of heat from his party and you guys want to b**** and say that he is not being realistic.

    I am convince that it is not about the debt or entitlement with people like you. It is about your manufacture hate for this president. You refuse to see him succeed even if it meant sacrificing things you want which is pretty pathetic.

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    See that is the problem with your party. This all or nothing stance you guys have has gotten us nowhere in deficit reduction. This was proven in the fiscal cliff fiasco. You had Obama willing to give on 1 trillion in cuts but no you guys said that it wasn't enough. At the end of the day, you got zero.

    And here you guys go again. The president is trying to compromise with the right by now putting up real entitlement reform. He is taking on a lot of heat from his party and you guys want to b**** and say that he is not being realistic.

    I am convince that it is not about the debt or entitlement with people like you. It is about your manufacture hate for this president. You refuse to see him succeed even if it meant sacrificing things you want which is pretty pathetic.
    My party? I am a conservative, not a Republican, but the Republican Party is closer to my point of view than today's Democrat Party. I grew up a JFK Democrat and heard one of the best Inaugeral address ever when JFK took office something today's Democratic Party ignores.

    There are not budget cuts by Obama so stop buying the lies. He says he is slowing the growth of spending and the 3.77 trillion dollar budget shows that. Where are the cuts in that budget?

    You see, you and so many others buy the Obama rhetoric because that is what you want to do. Stop buying the rhetoric and look at the results. When you cannot win the intellectual argument you resort to charges of hatred and racism. This President's policies are economic disasters, pro govt. growth, pro entitlements. That isn't what this country was built on

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My party? I am a conservative, not a Republican, but the Republican Party is closer to my point of view than today's Democrat Party. I grew up a JFK Democrat and heard one of the best Inaugeral address ever when JFK took office something today's Democratic Party ignores.

    There are not budget cuts by Obama so stop buying the lies. He says he is slowing the growth of spending and the 3.77 trillion dollar budget shows that. Where are the cuts in that budget?

    You see, you and so many others buy the Obama rhetoric because that is what you want to do. Stop buying the rhetoric and look at the results. When you cannot win the intellectual argument you resort to charges of hatred and racism. This President's policies are economic disasters, pro govt. growth, pro entitlements. That isn't what this country was built on
    First let me make something perfectly clear. I didn't charge you with any type of racism so please do not put words in my mouth. I don't understand why you brought up race anyway.

    Second, you will have to be a complete fool to believe that you will get 100% of what you want in a two party governing system. Hell Reagan even knew that. It takes compromise. And when the President place his neck out there and place Social Security and medicare on the table, you can at least say hey at least this guy is trying to work with me.

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    First let me make something perfectly clear. I didn't charge you with any type of racism so please do not put words in my mouth. I don't understand why you brought up race anyway.

    Second, you will have to be a complete fool to believe that you will get 100% of what you want in a two party governing system. Hell Reagan even knew that. It takes compromise. And when the President place his neck out there and place Social Security and medicare on the table, you can at least say hey at least this guy is trying to work with me.
    Why is SS and Medicare on the table when there are tons of cuts available through discretionary spending?

    Could it be that Obama only wants the GOP to threaten these two popular programs?

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    Re: Obama Budget, higher taxes and more spending

    Quote Originally Posted by grant View Post
    why is ss and medicare on the table when there are tons of cuts available through discretionary spending?

    Could it be that obama only wants the gop to threaten these two popular programs?

    because that is what the republicans wanted on the table man !!!!! Where have you been !!!!!!

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