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Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

head of joaquin said:
The poor millionaires of Britain. How did they survive without Thatcher!
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it was easy , she got rid of the socialism which was eating up Britain, unfortunately those socialist are like bed bugs, its hard to rid yourself of them, when they latch on and suck the life's blood out of you.
 
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Grant said:
Actually Lech Walesa and Pope John Paul II get a lot of credit, and so they should.

Most people in Eastern Europe didn't have much to work with in trying to protest.

What's really shameful are the number of Leftists who marched against Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan in support of the Communists. They're the same ones who are denouncing her today.
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Delusion much?

Eastern Europe fell because of liberal policies that opened up the Soviet Union to western influence by getting over the Cold War lunacy. But I love your little rightwing narrative.
 
ernst barkmann said:
it was easy , she got rid of the socialism which was eating up Britain, unfortunately those socialist are like bed bugs, its hard to rid yourself of them, when they latch on and suck the life's blood out of you.
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I think this is probably as good as it gets for conservative rhetoric.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Delusion much?

Eastern Europe fell because of liberal policies that opened up the Soviet Union to western influence by getting over the Cold War lunacy. But I love your little rightwing narrative.
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:lamo...you mean they opened up to free market ideas, of capitalism.
 
ernst barkmann said:
well its pretty accurate, socialist ideas are blood sucking, until the body dies then the move to the next victim.
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I was wrong: this is as good as it get for conservative 'argument'.
 
ernst barkmann said:
well its pretty accurate, socialist ideas are blood sucking, until the body dies then the move to the next victim.
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You're trying way too hard. But even that won't change the fact that Thatcher was a cretinous pathological Tory who hated working people.
 
ernst barkmann said:
oh no!.....its to easy!
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Which is why it's funny to watch you try so hard.

Meanwhile, I think Thatcher and Reagan were soul mates because they both loved invading ineffectual countries and declaring victory over sheep and nuns.
 
head of joaquin said:
Which is why it's funny to watch you try so hard.

Meanwhile, I think Thatcher and Reagan were soul mates because they both loved invading ineffectual countries and declaring victory over sheep and nuns.
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:lamo:lamo....dont make me pee my pants, by laughing so hard at your comments.
 
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She was 87 and apparently had suffered from dementia for years.

Why really old people who are losing their mind hang on as long as possible is TOTALLY beyond me.

I guess they are just afraid of dying.

If I was permanently losing my mind - I would welcome death as fast as possible.

Why would I hang on - so I can watch the pain on my friends/families faces as I slowly slip away from them?

Pass.
 
head of joaquin said:
You're trying way too hard. But even that won't change the fact that Thatcher was a cretinous pathological Tory who hated working people.
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Everyone's a working person, you must be talking about the working people who rushed to take advantage of Thatchers offer of owning their own, formerly rented, council homes at discounts of up to 75% off of market value.
 
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"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne ...

My mum was 5 years old when Margaret Hilder Thatcher became Prime Minister, and I only know of her as an historical figure. I do not believe in showing disrespect for the recently departed, but her leadership was not in my lifetime and did not directly affect my life, so I can afford to be dispassionate.

From what I have read of her premiership, she (like everyone) did good and bad things. But to quote Shakespeare - "The evil that men do lives after them - the good is oft interr'd with their bones." The balance of opinion I have heard from those old enough to have lived during her 'reign', was that, on balance, she did more harm to the society of great Britain than good. She came across to many Britons as arrogant and lacking empathy, encouraged adulation of wealth, and introduced a certain mean-spiritedness to British society (as exemplified by her approach to the miners' strike, and the denial of milk to school children). Others, with more knowledge than I, may hold another opinion, but that is the impression I have gained.

But she was a fellow human being, neither saint nor demon, who has made the journey we all must one day, and I wish her soul peace.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Thatcher came from ordinary roots herself, she worked hard and got into Oxford - she wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth.
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Middle class upbringing.

In other words, better off than most.
 
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ludahai said:
I didn't see the interview, but I believe she was the first elected female leader of a Western democracy. Israel's inclusion as one is a matter for debate.
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Iceland elected a female president before Thatcher. And the woman said "in the world" so..
 
head of joaquin said:
Meanwhile, I think Thatcher and Reagan were soul mates because they both loved invading ineffectual countries and declaring victory over sheep and nuns.
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Name some for thatcher, since there is no denying that Reagan was an interventionist.
 
head of joaquin said:
You're trying way too hard. But even that won't change the fact that Thatcher was a cretinous pathological Tory who hated working people.
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Trouble here is that you can't prove anything you say.
 
American said:
Trouble here is that you can't prove anything you say.
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I agree there is no proof that Thatcher hated working people, she was the daughter of a Grocer from Grantham in Lincolnshire who attended a state grammer school. In terms of Financial Services and the City she actually broke down the old School tie network and encouraged free enterprise.

Thatcher is blamed a lot of the time for somehow destroying British Industry, but British Industry was already uncompetitive on a sliding slope after the 70's when under Labour Britain has nearly gone on t bankruptcy again and stagflation blighted the country. Nobody wanted ships built in Britain they were expensive and unions were constantly walking out, hence they had their ship built in the Far East, whilst by the late 70's the British Car Industry had become a national joke with constant walkouts, poor quality and design and very poor management and union relations. The same story could be applied to lots of British Industry and at the very least Thatcher's Monterist policies whether you agree with them or not helped to curb hyper inflation which had plagued the country back in the 1970's. Personally I think some people gloss over the 1970's when Britain was in deep trouble and go straight to Thatcher blaming her for everything which is far from the reality of the situation, she was in power at a difficult period of time, made some difficult decisions and stuck to her principles and beliefs and for that I admire her. :)
 
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Street parties and/or street violence in Brixton, Glasgow and Belfast. All the old hot spots.
 
Ben K. said:
Street parties and/or street violence in Brixton, Glasgow and Belfast. All the old hot spots.
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And in Doncaster, Grimethorpe, Derry and Sunderland. What? You were expecting them in Tunbridge Wells, Basildon and Chelsea?
 
Andalublue said:
You really don't know anything about socialist politics in the '80s, do you? Socialist Worker, Socialist Action, Militant and the like were tiny, fringe bit-part players
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Bit part players with a deep foothold within the labour party. I watched Kinnock's speeches you know. I watched as Labour tried to rid itself of a fifth column within and to move away from the "loony left" which Michael Foot had taken it.

. Of course I wish Foot had won and that she had lost. That way we wouldn't be in the **** we're in now, and I'm not talking economically, although a lot of that can be laid at her door too.

Andalublue said:
The question is, are we a freer, more cohesive, more at ease with ourselves nation now than in 1980? Are we more alienated or more unified? Is there greater social mobility, or less? Is there rampant social inequality or less? What real benefits can British society look at and ascribe to Thatcher?
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Freer - yes, we have a greater sense of individual responsibility, we have a more enterprising culture. Social mobility cannot be laid solely at Thatcher's door - she surrounded herself with young radical thinking advisors who pushed deregulation ideas and she also gave poor people the chance to own their own homes. Certainly stockbrokers and city workers no longer come from Eton, Winchester and or the Stockbroker belt around London.

Andalublue said:
What real benefits can British society look at and ascribe to Thatcher?
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We don't have the same all pervading threat from the USSR, home ownership was extended and our economy is a more free enterprise economy than it ever was. We are not continually subsidising British Leyland workers to sleep in well built nests during their night shifts, we don't build substandard ships and cars anymore and British products and manufacture are highly regarded once again. We are still a major manufacturer and the manufacture sector moved from low quality-high labour products to high value-specialised manufacture.
We stopped competing in areas where cheap Chinese labour was always going to win and specialised in areas which would be hard for up and coming economies to duplicate and compete easily.
 
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