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Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

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biggest myth out there is that Thatcher and Reagan were friends, they constantly bumped heads. They tolerated eachother for their own political agenda's.

Where did you get this information? I've read her biography, Reagan's, and an insider's account by John Sullivan and, while they had there disagreements in always putting the long term interest of their country's first, they were as close on the fundamentals as two leaders can be.
 
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I dont understand why so many of you have taken offence to Andy's position? Why should he respect someone in death that he hated in the world of the living? Andy lived in the UK during the 1980's and has earned an opinion on this subject doesnt matter if you agree with him or not.

Are you saying he can dish it out but can't take it?

How about it, Andy? Is this true?
 
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Are you saying he can dish it out but can't take it?

How about it, Andy? Is this true?

thats not the issue, the issue people are taking is his "lack of respect" but he and many other people didnt respect her. My mother's brother, father and freinds all lost their jobs during the closure of the mines and she survived on scraps during the strikes, she posted a picture today with a bottle of champagne she saved from her dad's funeral a couple years ago. She was celebrating. This women cuts very deep into the British working classes.
 
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For all the IDIOTS here (sorry, moderators, I was looking for a better word, but - you know -mon Inglese est plötzlich no bueno):

The 20th century had actually happened. None of us (left or right, here ) wanted it to be that way. But it was pretty much beyond our control.

The Lady T., and the Pope (John Paul II) Wojtyla, and Reagan - they did - about the maximum of that could have been done, on OUR behalf - "we" having been trapped in a nightmare you- with all due respect for your virgin, untested minds - cannot even imagine.

I know there will be monuments to Margaret Thatcher in Poland, in Estonia, in Russia (if it ever overthrows its bloodsucking putinist kakistokracy), maybe in New Hampshire as well.

I will certainly send my contribution.
 
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And she in turn was put in hers...



You're not exactly hiding what your problem really is here.

Btw, Britain has never protected free speech and no one cares about your milk job.
 
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Her biggest mistakes was gutting the NHS and poll tax attempt.. those two ultimately cost her, her job. She also pushed the banking industry even more for London, which as we all know now, was not exactly a good thing. She also, like Cameron now, tried to push for class warfare.... a sickness that has for generation after generation held the UK back (and other nations).

How did she push for class warfare?
 
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You're not exactly hiding what your problem really is here.

Btw, Britain has never protected free speech and no one cares about your milk job.

You seem to be making this very personal...
 
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thats not the issue, the issue people are taking is his "lack of respect" but he and many other people didnt respect her. My mother's brother, father and freinds all lost their jobs during the closure of the mines and she survived on scraps during the strikes, she posted a picture today with a bottle of champagne she saved from her dad's funeral a couple years ago. She was celebrating. This women cuts very deep into the British working classes.

Losing their jobs in the mines was probably the best thing that happened to them over the long term. If these mines were productive and paying for themselves they would never have been closed, or they would be reopened by now. Do miners really have to be told that coal doesn't continue forever? That they might look for other alternatives before the coal runs out? Are they still living on scraps? Of course there are also the environmental factors coal creates.

I certainly don't mind discussing the issues regarding Margaret Thatcher but there is little of that. Instead she is 'evil and ghastly' and support for this opinion is being drawn from satirical comedy shows. It is showing more self disrespect than it is toward Margaret Thatcher, and I am only pointing out this irony.
 
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No. I didn't agree with him politically, but don't think he was evil.

You're a rational conservative, Moon. You should have seen the frenzy his death caused here. It would make you think that the OP in this thread had written a beautiful and loving eulogy towards Thatcher.
 
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I do say Watson.....I would have to tip my hat to the Ole Girl.
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R.I.P.....Iron Lady!
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ARGH the freaking conservative TV idiots are making **** up.. Right now on Sky News there is some sort of expert British woman from Fox News saying "Maggie Thatcher was the first democratically elected female leader"... BULL****!

Siramova Bandaranike was elected Prime Minster of Sir Lanka in 1960, Indira Gandhi of India (biggest democracy on the planet) in 1966, Golda Meir of Isreal in 1969 just to name a few...

And then she had the nerve to say that there had been no significant female leaders since.. WTF? Maybe not in the UK or US, but come on...
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's cool our jets before any infractions need to be handed out.
 
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World media following the deeply divisive line - though the Argentines seems to paint her as all round awful, the Chinese thinking her a legend. :)

BBC News - Margaret Thatcher dies: World media reaction

Media here is pretty divided too. The end of the Troubles quite close to her departure has been viewed in two ways - either it shows she beat the terrorists with uncompromising war-time resolve which sped up the decline of the Republican's militant wing or they wouldn't come to the table until she was gone, radicalised a few more and so she delayed the process.

Anyway, I want Infinite Chaos to show up to get the other side of the Brit coin.
 
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thats not the issue, the issue people are taking is his "lack of respect" but he and many other people didnt respect her. My mother's brother, father and freinds all lost their jobs during the closure of the mines and she survived on scraps during the strikes, she posted a picture today with a bottle of champagne she saved from her dad's funeral a couple years ago. She was celebrating. This women cuts very deep into the British working classes.

Thing is Higgins, people who didn't live through it can't understand what it was like. If you were working class and northern you really did feel as if you were living in a fascist police state. Working in Sunderland during the miners' strike of 1984-5 on the edge of the Durham coalfield, I saw first hand police blockades of mining villages, forcible evictions, picket lines attacked by riot police with shield, truncheons and tear gas, strikers' families being starved into submission. The strike was followed by privatisation and the fulfillment of what the strikers had warned, that the policy was to destroy the industry. These coalfield villages are now virtual ghost towns. The only thing left is the poverty and alienation. I was a welfare rights advisor at the time. The images of those days have never left me.
 
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RIP Maggie. You drove the wobblies wacky and still do. Good for you!
 
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What about the parts that WANT to belong to the UK? Falklands didnt rebel, they were invaded.

haha.......
 
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Thing is Higgins, people who didn't live through it can't understand what it was like. If you were working class and northern you really did feel as if you were living in a fascist police state. Working in Sunderland during the miners' strike of 1984-5 on the edge of the Durham coalfield, I saw first hand police blockades of mining villages, forcible evictions, picket lines attacked by riot police with shield, truncheons and tear gas, strikers' families being starved into submission. The strike was followed by privatisation and the fulfillment of what the strikers had warned, that the policy was to destroy the industry. These coalfield villages are now virtual ghost towns. The only thing left is the poverty and alienation. I was a welfare rights advisor at the time. The images of those days have never left me.

Dont forget, what Maggie Thatcher did to Scotland and Wales, basically wiped out the Conservative party in those two regions.. even to this day. In Scotland there is 1 conservative MP or did he loose his seat last election? Scotland use to be a main Conservative base back in the day as I understand it.. not after Maggie Thatcher.
 
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Leftists are filled with hate and we can see it everywhere.

Could we really expect anything different now?

I've heard plenty of hate for Obama from the right.
 
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Thing is Higgins, people who didn't live through it can't understand what it was like. If you were working class and northern you really did feel as if you were living in a fascist police state. Working in Sunderland during the miners' strike of 1984-5 on the edge of the Durham coalfield, I saw first hand police blockades of mining villages, forcible evictions, picket lines attacked by riot police with shield, truncheons and tear gas, strikers' families being starved into submission. The strike was followed by privatisation and the fulfillment of what the strikers had warned, that the policy was to destroy the industry. These coalfield villages are now virtual ghost towns. The only thing left is the poverty and alienation. I was a welfare rights advisor at the time. The images of those days have never left me.

The Coalfields would have closed down anyway, indeed coal is now considered a dirty fuel and coal power stations demonised by environmentalists. In terms of the Durham Coalfield most of it had already closed by the time Thatcher came to power, so she can't be blamed for the closing of most of the County Durham Coalfield. The main mining areas bythe 80's were Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire.
 
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RIP Maggie. You drove the wobblies wacky and still do. Good for you!

Never mind that she deliberately destroyed the manufacturing base in the UK and put no job replacement policies or re-training programs in place.
When she came into power, unemployment was around 5.5%, within just 3 years it had almost tripled to over 13%. Remember, this was a deliberate policy.
 
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The Coalfields would have closed down anyway, indeed coal is considered is now considered a dirty fuel. In terms of the Durham Coalfield most of it had already closed by the time Thatcher came to power, so she can't be blamed for the closing of most of the County Durham Coalfield.

It wasn't just the pits, it was vast swathes of the industry sector which were deliberately closed and she did nothing to help bring new jobs into the region or any re-training programs.
 
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She was a horrible person. No wonder she and that other knownothing, Reagan, were "soulmates".

 
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Rest in peace, thank you for all the good you did for the UK and the world.

Changing my sig today in memory of the Iron Lady.
"I came to office with one deliberate intent: to change Britain from a dependent to a self-reliant society - from a give-it-to-me to a do-it-yourself nation. A get-up-and-go, instead of a sit-back-and-wait-for-it Britain."
- Margaret Thatcher
 
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I've came into this thread a little late, but what is striking, is there's not a single poster sitting on the fence :)

Divisive should really have been her middle name...

Paul
 
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