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Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

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There is no value in being tough just for the sake of being tough. What is important is what you are tough about. You're probably too young and too distant to know what she did and to whom.
No, the value of a woman being as tough as she was at the time can be separated from what she chose to do with that toughness. She was, no doubt, an important figure in terms of women's history and influencing women's ability to be taken seriously in the world and particularly politics.
 
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No, the value of a woman being as tough as she was at the time can be separated from what she chose to do with that toughness. She was, no doubt, an important figure in terms of women's history and influencing women's ability to be taken seriously in the world and particularly politics.

It's not like she was the first major woman world leader. I'm sorry, but I can't divorce her hard-as-nails persona with the evil she did. She could have been that pioneer, but she chose to be the opposite and blighted generations.
 
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Here's an excellent article that articulates a lot of what I feel about the death of Thatcher... apart from the bit about not cheering.

It's amazing how many Europeans get their information and form their opinions from movies and cartoons. No wonder they're going down the tubes.
 
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Considering Margaret Thatcher was America's staunchest ally and a dear friend of President Reagan and assisted him greatly in ending the cold war, I wonder who President Obama will send to her funeral.

Regardless of what you think/thought of her policies, she was a truly great lady and a prime example of what a woman leader could and should be.
 
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Considering Margaret Thatcher was America's staunchest ally and a dear friend of President Reagan and assisted him greatly in ending the cold war, I wonder who President Obama will send to her funeral.

Regardless of what you think/thought of her policies, she was a truly great lady and a prime example of what a woman leader could and should be.

biggest myth out there is that Thatcher and Reagan were friends, they constantly bumped heads. They tolerated eachother for their own political agenda's.
 
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Who have I insulted? Certainly not you, and Medusa and I are very good friends, I certainly wasn't insulting her. The only person I've insulted is Thatcher. Why? Because:
  1. She destryoed British manufacturing industry quite deliberately.
  2. She created the service-sector-based economy that is currently delivering poverty and unemployment to the entire nation.
  3. She deliberately destroyed traditional working class communities and demonised their unions and their organisations.
  4. She mismanaged British overseas dependencies and this directly led to the Flaklands war. She shamelessly used the Falklands conflict in order to engineer her 1983 election victory. Prior to the Falklands her popularity was in the toilet.
  5. She sold off national assets to her carpet-bagging capitalist mates at rock-bottom prices, effectively giving public money to her political allies.
  6. She introduced a despotic and discriminatory poll tax that united the nation against her. She lost that one.
  7. She introduced legislation outlawing all mention of gays and lesbians in all schools.
That's just seven reasons why I'm not mourning her.

The American Conservatives are just getting upset because of the Reagan connection.

Had Thatcher not been close with Reagan, or even at odds with Reagan, like not supported them with some cold war thing, their reaction would have been very much the same.

Notice how almost no British people on the board are particularly upset by this news...

Now to be fair I'm not going to join in the hating, I only lived under Blair, so at this news I shall remain... indifferent.
 
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It's not like she was the first major woman world leader. I'm sorry, but I can't divorce her hard-as-nails persona with the evil she did. She could have been that pioneer, but she chose to be the opposite and blighted generations.
I didn't say she was "like the first woman leader." I said that she was an important figure in women's history and influenced women's ability to be taken seriously in the world, particularly in politics. This is undeniable.
 
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It's not like she was the first major woman world leader. I'm sorry, but I can't divorce her hard-as-nails persona with the evil she did. She could have been that pioneer, but she chose to be the opposite and blighted generations.

Then again, she raised from humble beginnings to be one of the most important figures of the late 20th century.

That much is to be admired.

You may hate her, many may, I'm not a fan of hers myself, but the undeniable truth is that she did mark britain and that her actions have had a great economic impact, more than doubling the GDP of GB over the course of her mandate and putting it on an upwards trajectory.

Yes, she did have to crush some people in the process, and yes, she did make unpopular moves, but better make unpopular moves that save the nation than cowering from them and watching it all fall to pieces.

Most of your accusations of her, those 5-7 points you made, are for the most part invalid or untrue.
 
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And with her goes seemingly the last spine left in a once great nation.

RIP.
 
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And with her goes seemingly the last spine left in a once great nation.

RIP.

yeh its not like we backed you up in the last 2 wars you were in...
 
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yeh its not like we backed you up in the last 2 wars you were in...

Didn't intend to offend. I was referring to your leadership, not British people as a whole, and unfortunately, we're following your lead in lock-step.
 
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Most of your accusations of her, those 5-7 points you made, are for the most part invalid or untrue.

Your saying so doesn't make them so.
 
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Your saying so doesn't make them so.

Reality makes them so, me saying it just validates reality.
 
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Bookmarking this thread for the next time a liberal dies. Apparently tossing some of the vitriolic, most hateful things you can think up after a person dies because you disagree with their politics is what all the cool kids are doing nowadays.
 
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Most of your accusations of her, those 5-7 points you made, are for the most part invalid or untrue.
Your saying so doesn't make them so.

I'll add an eighth point:

She perpetuated the Troubles in Northern Ireland by banning free speech and dispensing with democracy, unconstitutionally banning the democratically-elected representatives of the Catholic community from taking their seats in Westminster.
 
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Bookmarking this thread for the next time a liberal dies. Apparently tossing some of the vitriolic, most hateful things you can think up after a person dies because you disagree with their politics is what all the cool kids are doing nowadays.

In Britain we're not as partisan as you.

This has less to do with the retarded Conservative - Liberal Universe you guys want to live in, in the states.

And more to do with her individual actions as Prime Minister.

Alot of Britons do not like her... I feel like some of them in this thread could take a chill pill on it... but then again I wasn't there and their feelings may well be justified.
 
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Bookmarking this thread for the next time a liberal dies. Apparently tossing some of the vitriolic, most hateful things you can think up after a person dies because you disagree with their politics is what all the cool kids are doing nowadays.

has nothing to do with her politcal lean its what she did her her time in office, she splits public opinion to this day in the UK.
You would need to know a little about Britain in the 80's and the aftermath of Thatcher before you jump in on this thread and start judging people.
 
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Bookmarking this thread for the next time a liberal dies. Apparently tossing some of the vitriolic, most hateful things you can think up after a person dies because you disagree with their politics is what all the cool kids are doing nowadays.

The comments in this thread are very, very mild in comparison with the hatred and scorn poured out in the Chavez threads of just a few weeks ago.
 
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Bookmarking this thread for the next time a liberal dies. Apparently tossing some of the vitriolic, most hateful things you can think up after a person dies because you disagree with their politics is what all the cool kids are doing nowadays.

Sure seems that way. That kind of vitriol should be reserved for the truly evil, not for those we have political disagreements with.
 
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Your saying so doesn't make them so.

I'll add an eighth point:

She perpetuated the Troubles in Northern Ireland by banning free speech and dispensing with democracy, unconstitutionally banning the democratically-elected representatives of the Catholic community from taking their seats in Westminster.

The Irish leadership and the IRA meet Thatcher halfway on any and all wrongdoings that have only aggravated the situation there.

I'm not aware with the specifics of what you talk about the Catholic community, but I will inform myself. I cannot say for certain whether this has any justification or not, so far. You are entitled to your opinion however, and I shall seek for information.
 
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I feel like some of them in this thread could take a chill pill on it...

I don't need a chill pill, Jet. I've got an excellent bottle of Gran Reserva Rioja popped. It's party time!
 
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Your saying so doesn't make them so.

I'll add an eighth point:

She perpetuated the Troubles in Northern Ireland by banning free speech and dispensing with democracy, unconstitutionally banning the democratically-elected representatives of the Catholic community from taking their seats in Westminster.

but she also paved the way towards the good friday agreement...
 
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To all four of you. If you want to discuss her legacy politically, start a thread. I always thought RIP threads were supposed to be respectful.

Jetboogieman: its politics. So partisanship is there no matter what you want to label it.
Higgins86: You are assuming I dont know. This is rather ignorant of you.
Andalublue: dunno, didnt see the thread or comment on it. Was pretty busy at that point
Moon: Maybe further than I would have gone, but sort of.
 
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but she also paved the way towards the good friday agreement...

And got busted by the European Human Rights Courts for human rights violations against homosexuals and terror suspects in Northern Ireland ..
 
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