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Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

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Andalublue said:
Your saying so doesn't make them so.

I'll add an eighth point:

She perpetuated the Troubles in Northern Ireland by banning free speech and dispensing with democracy, unconstitutionally banning the democratically-elected representatives of the Catholic community from taking their seats in Westminster.
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There were TERRORISTS where who murdered innocent civilians!
 
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Andalublue said:
The comments in this thread are very, very mild in comparison with the hatred and scorn poured out in the Chavez threads of just a few weeks ago.
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Chavez was a tinpot dictator. Thatcher was an elected leader of a truly democratic country. Big difference.
 
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Red_Dave said:
I always find it stirking that those in Eastern Europe get so little credit for this.
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Actually Lech Walesa and Pope John Paul II get a lot of credit, and so they should.

Most people in Eastern Europe didn't have much to work with in trying to protest.

What's really shameful are the number of Leftists who marched against Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan in support of the Communists. They're the same ones who are denouncing her today.
 
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Higgins86 said:
thats not the issue, the issue people are taking is his "lack of respect" but he and many other people didnt respect her. My mother's brother, father and freinds all lost their jobs during the closure of the mines and she survived on scraps during the strikes, she posted a picture today with a bottle of champagne she saved from her dad's funeral a couple years ago. She was celebrating. This women cuts very deep into the British working classes.
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Many of the mines were bloated and were making losses. And if you go on strike, do you expect the government to provide for you? Thatcher brought down the excesses of the unions in the 1970s. The unions had overplayed their hand and the British public were sick of it. She helped to streamline British companies and made many much more competitive.
 
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PeteEU said:
ARGH the freaking conservative TV idiots are making **** up.. Right now on Sky News there is some sort of expert British woman from Fox News saying "Maggie Thatcher was the first democratically elected female leader"... BULL****!

Siramova Bandaranike was elected Prime Minster of Sir Lanka in 1960, Indira Gandhi of India (biggest democracy on the planet) in 1966, Golda Meir of Isreal in 1969 just to name a few...

And then she had the nerve to say that there had been no significant female leaders since.. WTF? Maybe not in the UK or US, but come on...
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I didn't see the interview, but I believe she was the first elected female leader of a Western democracy. Israel's inclusion as one is a matter for debate.
 
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Homer. said:
Never mind that she deliberately destroyed the manufacturing base in the UK and put no job replacement policies or re-training programs in place.
When she came into power, unemployment was around 5.5%, within just 3 years it had almost tripled to over 13%. Remember, this was a deliberate policy.
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1. Part of a global economic downtown. 2. Administering harsh medicine Britain needed to become more competitive.
 
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solletica said:
That's why they called her the iron lady. If you went on strike, you got the iron.
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Actually, not true. It was intended as a derisive nickname that was given to her by the Soviets while she was still in opposition in the 1970s. She wore it as a badge of honor.
 
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Andalublue said:
You really don't know anything about socialist politics in the '80s, do you? Socialist Worker, Socialist Action, Militant and the like were tiny, fringe bit-part players. Of course I wish Foot had won and that she had lost. That way we wouldn't be in the **** we're in now, and I'm not talking economically, although a lot of that can be laid at her door too.

The question is, are we a freer, more cohesive, more at ease with ourselves nation now than in 1980? Are we more alienated or more unified? Is there greater social mobility, or less? Is there rampant social inequality or less? What real benefits can British society look at and ascribe to Thatcher?
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Perhaps some photos will kindle your memory. https://www.google.co.cr/search?q=1...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
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Red_Dave said:
I always find it stirking that those in Eastern Europe get so little credit for this.
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Of course Eastern Europeans get credit for it, but isn't it striking how much credit many of them give to Thatcher and Reagan?
 
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Andalublue said:
Quite. Let's not forget that she was the number one opponent of German reunification too.
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Consistant with the age-old British dislike of the notion of a strong European state.

You also know she was in favor of INCREASED British participation in Europe, right?
 
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Andalublue said:
You really don't know anything about socialist politics in the '80s, do you? Socialist Worker, Socialist Action, Militant and the like were tiny, fringe bit-part players. Of course I wish Foot had won and that she had lost. That way we wouldn't be in the **** we're in now, and I'm not talking economically, although a lot of that can be laid at her door too.

The question is, are we a freer, more cohesive, more at ease with ourselves nation now than in 1980? Are we more alienated or more unified? Is there greater social mobility, or less? Is there rampant social inequality or less? What real benefits can British society look at and ascribe to Thatcher?
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Giving Britain back their country. Taking it back from Unions, and reversing the damage that socialists had wrought.
 
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Andalublue said:
That's spelled REPOSSESSION these days.
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No, wildly off the track. I know you have a hard stone in your heart for the Lady, but playing the "she did nothing good" game here just makes you look like a garden variety hater.
 
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best wishes to her family. rest in peace.
 
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clownboy said:
No, wildly off the track. I know you have a hard stone in your heart for the Lady, but playing the "she did nothing good" game here just makes you look like a garden variety hater.
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Here's just small part of what Margaret Thatcher inherited.Liverpool council considered public burying own dead in 1979 | UK news | The Guardian

Note that under the Socialists inflation had risen to 26.9%.http://libcom.org/history/1978-1979-winter-of-discontent
 
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ludahai said:
Consistant with the age-old British dislike of the notion of a strong European state.

You also know she was in favor of INCREASED British participation in Europe, right?
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She opposed the EU to her dying day.
 
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Judging by the response from many from England, they feel toward Thacher like we workers here feel about Reagan. I'm not glad he is dead, just glad he isn't governing anymore.
 
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Andalublue said:
Oh yes I was. Jailed twice for protesting against her police state; once supporting the miners, once for opposing her Falklands adventure.
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so you are saying that someone who broke the law disliked someone who supported law and order? color me SHOCKED:mrgreen: I am sure the Communist regimes hated her as well. Hardly an argument against her
 
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The man from the "Independent" (centre right paper) sums it up very well in his assessment of "Thatcherism" rather than the lady herself.

" ...We are in the midst of the third great economic collapse since the Second World War: all three have taken place since Thatcherism launched its great crusade. This current crisis has roots in the Thatcherite free market experiment, which wiped out much of the country’s industrial base in favour of a deregulated financial sector.

A poisoned “debate” about social security rages in Cameron’s Britain. It focuses on the idea that there are large numbers of people stuck on benefits. It is certainly true that there were more people languishing in long-term unemployment last year than there were in all forms of unemployment 40 years ago. In large part, this is a consequence of Thatcherism’s emptying communities of millions of secure, skilled industrial jobs. Large swathes of Britain – mining villages, steel towns and so on – were devastated, and never really recovered. Even when Britain was supposedly booming, the old industrial heartlands had high levels of what is rather clinically described as “economic inactivity”.

Five million people now languish on social housing waiting lists, while billions of pounds of housing benefit line the pockets of private landlords charging rip-off rents. The scarcity of housing turns communities against each other, as immigrants or anyone deemed less deserving are scapegoated. But the guilt really lies with the Thatcherite policy of right-to-buy and failure to replace the stock that was sold off.... "

Owen Jones: Thatcherism was a national catastrophe that still poisons us - Comment - Voices - The Independent
 
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TurtleDude said:
so you are saying that someone who broke the law disliked someone who supported law and order? color me SHOCKED:mrgreen: I am sure the Communist regimes hated her as well. Hardly an argument against her
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Lenin had apt phrase for these people but their usefulness has always been open to question.
 
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Very sad.
I really like her.
 
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