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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There is no value in being tough just for the sake of being tough. What is important is what you are tough about. You're probably too young and too distant to know what she did and to whom.
    No, the value of a woman being as tough as she was at the time can be separated from what she chose to do with that toughness. She was, no doubt, an important figure in terms of women's history and influencing women's ability to be taken seriously in the world and particularly politics.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

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    Way to keep it classy.
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    Could we really expect anything different now?

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

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    No, the value of a woman being as tough as she was at the time can be separated from what she chose to do with that toughness. She was, no doubt, an important figure in terms of women's history and influencing women's ability to be taken seriously in the world and particularly politics.
    It's not like she was the first major woman world leader. I'm sorry, but I can't divorce her hard-as-nails persona with the evil she did. She could have been that pioneer, but she chose to be the opposite and blighted generations.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Here's an excellent article that articulates a lot of what I feel about the death of Thatcher... apart from the bit about not cheering.
    It's amazing how many Europeans get their information and form their opinions from movies and cartoons. No wonder they're going down the tubes.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Considering Margaret Thatcher was America's staunchest ally and a dear friend of President Reagan and assisted him greatly in ending the cold war, I wonder who President Obama will send to her funeral.

    Regardless of what you think/thought of her policies, she was a truly great lady and a prime example of what a woman leader could and should be.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Considering Margaret Thatcher was America's staunchest ally and a dear friend of President Reagan and assisted him greatly in ending the cold war, I wonder who President Obama will send to her funeral.

    Regardless of what you think/thought of her policies, she was a truly great lady and a prime example of what a woman leader could and should be.
    biggest myth out there is that Thatcher and Reagan were friends, they constantly bumped heads. They tolerated eachother for their own political agenda's.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Who have I insulted? Certainly not you, and Medusa and I are very good friends, I certainly wasn't insulting her. The only person I've insulted is Thatcher. Why? Because:
    1. She destryoed British manufacturing industry quite deliberately.
    2. She created the service-sector-based economy that is currently delivering poverty and unemployment to the entire nation.
    3. She deliberately destroyed traditional working class communities and demonised their unions and their organisations.
    4. She mismanaged British overseas dependencies and this directly led to the Flaklands war. She shamelessly used the Falklands conflict in order to engineer her 1983 election victory. Prior to the Falklands her popularity was in the toilet.
    5. She sold off national assets to her carpet-bagging capitalist mates at rock-bottom prices, effectively giving public money to her political allies.
    6. She introduced a despotic and discriminatory poll tax that united the nation against her. She lost that one.
    7. She introduced legislation outlawing all mention of gays and lesbians in all schools.

    That's just seven reasons why I'm not mourning her.
    The American Conservatives are just getting upset because of the Reagan connection.

    Had Thatcher not been close with Reagan, or even at odds with Reagan, like not supported them with some cold war thing, their reaction would have been very much the same.

    Notice how almost no British people on the board are particularly upset by this news...

    Now to be fair I'm not going to join in the hating, I only lived under Blair, so at this news I shall remain... indifferent.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's not like she was the first major woman world leader. I'm sorry, but I can't divorce her hard-as-nails persona with the evil she did. She could have been that pioneer, but she chose to be the opposite and blighted generations.
    I didn't say she was "like the first woman leader." I said that she was an important figure in women's history and influenced women's ability to be taken seriously in the world, particularly in politics. This is undeniable.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's not like she was the first major woman world leader. I'm sorry, but I can't divorce her hard-as-nails persona with the evil she did. She could have been that pioneer, but she chose to be the opposite and blighted generations.
    Then again, she raised from humble beginnings to be one of the most important figures of the late 20th century.

    That much is to be admired.

    You may hate her, many may, I'm not a fan of hers myself, but the undeniable truth is that she did mark britain and that her actions have had a great economic impact, more than doubling the GDP of GB over the course of her mandate and putting it on an upwards trajectory.

    Yes, she did have to crush some people in the process, and yes, she did make unpopular moves, but better make unpopular moves that save the nation than cowering from them and watching it all fall to pieces.

    Most of your accusations of her, those 5-7 points you made, are for the most part invalid or untrue.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    And with her goes seemingly the last spine left in a once great nation.

    RIP.

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