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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Those shipyards, the sugar works and factories only survived in 1979 because of subsidies and restricted trade that made all Britons poorer. She freed you from that. As The Economist proclaimed on its cover with her photo: "Freedom fighter."
    Of course she did. There, there.
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    Of course she did. There, there.
    How disappointing. I gave you the perfect opening to reply: "I'm all right, Jack."
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

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    She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.
    there's a difference between dealing with reality and "supporting" something. And btw, many Chileans have a positive view of Pinochet. They credit him with laying the groundwork for modern, free, prosperous and democratic Chile. Thatcher saved the British economy. Her photo is captioned "Freedom fighter" on the cover of this week's The Economist. I think that's a good description.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.
    Pinochet's military gave the British task force radar cover when it was needed. We could have tried without Chile's radar support - the one day Chile turned it's radar off for servicing, Argentine aircraft successfully attacked the Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram. There were other problems on the ground that led to such a devastating attack but lack of radar warning did not help.
    It's easy to sit in the comfort of your home and slander her, however she felt a debt to Chile which she honoured - whether it was convenient to her public status or not. That was her decision - not to run away or hide when Pinochet was in trouble.

    Personally, I don't like what Pinochet stood for however his country helped us during a time of need and her support says something about her character.

    Regarding apartheid, she opposed the sanctions - something I felt wrong but FW de Klerk, who was in a better place to judge and comment says she did not support apartheid - she simply opposed the sanctions.

    As to her being a "fascist" - I think that has more to do with your political lean than facts on the ground.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    “Circus dogs jump when the trainer cracks his whip,” but the really well-trained dog is the one that turns his somersault when there is no whip.”

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    “Circus dogs jump when the trainer cracks his whip,” but the really well-trained dog is the one that turns his somersault when there is no whip.”

    George Orwell
    Ironically, this serves pretty well for those who supported Scargill and shared his aims in bringing down the UK. 30 years later the ringmaster no longer leads his troops but they are still there, spouting the same propaganda and still wishing for a paradise which someone else pays for.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.
    if she was a male ,l wouldnt tolerate her

    yes l am being sexist
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if she was a male ,l wouldnt tolerate her

    yes l am being sexist
    She didn't do anything for women,..which was surprising..

    But to revile an old woman with dementia is equally wrong..

    We should have done something about her when she was in power..

    The French wouldn't have stood for it!!

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Pinochet's military gave the British task force radar cover when it was needed. We could have tried without Chile's radar support - the one day Chile turned it's radar off for servicing, Argentine aircraft successfully attacked the Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram. There were other problems on the ground that led to such a devastating attack but lack of radar warning did not help.
    It's easy to sit in the comfort of your home and slander her, however she felt a debt to Chile which she honoured - whether it was convenient to her public status or not. That was her decision - not to run away or hide when Pinochet was in trouble.

    Personally, I don't like what Pinochet stood for however his country helped us during a time of need and her support says something about her character.

    Regarding apartheid, she opposed the sanctions - something I felt wrong but FW de Klerk, who was in a better place to judge and comment says she did not support apartheid - she simply opposed the sanctions.

    As to her being a "fascist" - I think that has more to do with your political lean than facts on the ground.
    I get many Chilean tourists where I am at the moment and they are mostly apolitical people. The overwhelming response when I gently ask them about that period is that he saved Chile from a Civil War, designed modern Chile, and resigned as 'dictator' when he should have. Many on the left just don't know what Allende was up to, how Castro spent so much time there, the seizure of private properties, etc. The general consensus seems to be that they were glad to see him come and glad to see him go, but he was certainly not the man the Left portrays him. He does not come close in comparison with any left wing dictator, but this reality is generally ignored.

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