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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Weird post. "Codified is what matters"??? You mean it's more important to have a single constitution document than it is to have a constitution? Bizarre.

    And what's a joke about the BoR?
    Yes, having a document say like the US Constitution which lays out for the layman what rights are and what roles each part of government does simplifies the understanding and allows citizenship to understand and make informed choices. Uncodified Constitutions like in the UK where the closest document to a "constitution" was Treaty of the Union (1707) but it's only used in Scotland and doesn't register legally in England or Wales makes it impossible to read and understand rights. For example The Freedom of Information Act 1998 and the Human Rights Act 1998 were new laws which aren't together but gives rights. So to know your "rights" new rights you have to read 2 new documents.

    And Yes, English BoRs is a joke. It only applies to Parliament members and bans Catholic ascendency now since the right to have arms is dead and gone in the UK.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    This is about Maggie and her screw up in Northern Ireland. People wanted to give her credit on Sun.. agreement. Then fail to accepted she had policies contrary to that agreement weeks after signing it. And it was you that brought up the other stuff, not I. But they have no constitutional right if there is no constitution. UK has no constitution but various laws and agreements that can change at anytime. Like, say Irish Republican's voting rights in Northern Ireland. US has a constitution and people have constitutional rights. Both forms struggle with problems but at the end of the day people assert their constitutional rights in court, while the other requires Government to give that right.
    You have no idea what you're talking about - either on Thatcher in Northern Ireland or the UK unwritten constitution. The Guardian takes an even more socalist-left view of Thatcher's legacy (give the article is written by Gerry Adams) than normal on world matters but others take a more realistic and balanced view and recognise the impact of the first steps taken in 85.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, England would lose those areas to Scotland. What the Shetlanders do after that requires an agreement between Scotland and them which could take years. Then if Shetland leaves it would take a while after that to decide where they go. So it could be years after that before they would rejoin England or stay independent themselves.
    I advise you to do some reading on the Scottish referendum before you make more of a fool of yourself. All that's been agreed so far is the actual question to be asked. All else is up for negotiation with many pushing for much of the negotiation to be completed before the referendum takes place.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You have no idea what you're talking about - either on Thatcher in Northern Ireland or the UK unwritten constitution. The Guardian takes an even more socalist-left view of Thatcher's legacy (give the article is written by Gerry Adams) than normal on world matters but others take a more realistic and balanced view and recognise the impact of the first steps taken in 85.


    Couldn't have gotten a moderate nationalist to comment on the subject, like say John Hume?

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Couldn't have gotten a moderate nationalist to comment on the subject, like say John Hume?
    Sorry, I'm still trying to work out why an "Austrian" has such strong views about the UK - particularly the Irish dimension. I was distracted.

    Here's a little from John Hume after Thatcher's death.

    -- “However, with the help of American influence, she had the strength to withstand Unionist intransigence and sign up to the Anglo Irish Agreement.“This was a significant move and a key foundation stone in the beginning of our Peace Process which culminated in the signing of the Good Friday Agreement 15 years ago tomorrow.” Link.
    Personally I think it needs a good 100 years for history to look back more objectively on the period of "the troubles." There may or may not be any nation states in Europe by then and these turf and religious wars may seem very odd through history's eyes.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Sorry, I'm still trying to work out why an "Austrian" has such strong views about the UK - particularly the Irish dimension. I was distracted.

    Here's a little from John Hume after Thatcher's death.



    Personally I think it needs a good 100 years for history to look back more objectively on the period of "the troubles." There may or may not be any nation states in Europe by then and these turf and religious wars may seem very odd through history's eyes.
    Oops, I was referring to the Guardian's selection of nationalist POV.
    I believe Austrianecon's an Irish American. "Austrian" may be another part of his genealogy or reflect his economic views or both *shrug*.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You have no idea what you're talking about - either on Thatcher in Northern Ireland or the UK unwritten constitution. The Guardian takes an even more socalist-left view of Thatcher's legacy (give the article is written by Gerry Adams) than normal on world matters but others take a more realistic and balanced view and recognise the impact of the first steps taken in 85.
    Actually, sorry to say I do. UK "Constitution" isn't codified which means it's mainly common law based. Which is law developed by judges through decisions of courts or opinions. So ideas such as Diplock Courts existed which despite what you think of Irish Republican groups or Unionist groups is down right distasteful. Well, Gerry Adams writing you know it's ghost written.

    Christian Science Monitor? Seriously? So the pro-Unionist front in the US? You are gonna have to try harder.





    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I advise you to do some reading on the Scottish referendum before you make more of a fool of yourself. All that's been agreed so far is the actual question to be asked. All else is up for negotiation with many pushing for much of the negotiation to be completed before the referendum takes place.
    What are the assets? Oh that's right Oil. Anything else you want to argue on?
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Sorry, I'm still trying to work out why an "Austrian" has such strong views about the UK - particularly the Irish dimension. I was distracted.
    Oh it could be both my parents were born in Ireland, lived in Northern Ireland before my mother decided she had enough and left while pregnant with me.. and me spending my youth in Ireland (North and South) visiting family and waking up one day during our summer trips to visit family to find out my father was murdered by UVF for being Catholic in a pub called The Heights Bar.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I believe Austrianecon's an Irish American. "Austrian" may be another part of his genealogy or reflect his economic views or both *shrug*.
    It's economic views.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post

    Personally I think it needs a good 100 years for history to look back more objectively on the period of "the troubles." There may or may not be any nation states in Europe by then and these turf and religious wars may seem very odd through history's eyes.
    I think this is a good benchmark for historical review.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Sorry, I'm still trying to work out why an "Austrian" has such strong views about the UK - particularly the Irish dimension. I was distracted.

    Here's a little from John Hume after Thatcher's death.



    Personally I think it needs a good 100 years for history to look back more objectively on the period of "the troubles." There may or may not be any nation states in Europe by then and these turf and religious wars may seem very odd through history's eyes.
    "Turf and religious wars" have lasted thousands of years. I suspect they'll still be with us in 100 years.
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