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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    It will be 2015 at the present rate before the British economy returns to 2007 levels.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So, you completely avoid the question, so I'll repeat it. In what way are things better now than then, in any of the categories I claimed otherwise? Unemployment, social and economic equality, child poverty, personal debt. You offer us a Spectator blog which shows that in 2 of those categories I was right, and in the other 2 it mentions nothing. You think it's a great achievement that service sector employment now constitutes about 80% of the total? You think that GDP growth figures give us an accurate picture of living standards? And you think that an increase from 110-130 GBP ($170-$200) weekly household income in 34 years is any kind of achievement?

    Boy, you made that very easy!
    Erm I was waiting for your answers to my original questions. Seems like we have a pattern where you tend to ignore my requests and add even more questions - or worse still, ask me to watch a 50 minute long video instead of giving me a precis.

    Categories you mention: Foreign Policy - you claimed things were worse after but the fall of the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall testify to her efforts with Gorbachev, Pope John Paul and Reagan. Mind you, seems your desire to return us to a union led country shows why you think this was a failing. Do you need a link for all the Eastern european leaders who have attributed their national freedoms to her? Do you want a link to the fall of the iron curtain?

    Economic and Industrial: we certainly don't have unions bringing democratically elected governments down anymore. Shame for some I guess. We are a free market economy, deregulated - we are not the sick man of europe anymore. Do you want links to this? Our industry has shrunk but we are still the 3rd biggest manufacturing nation in Europe after Italy and Germany. City of London (which many claim is staffed only by the elite) is more egalitarian than it was before the big bang.

    Unemployment and Inflation: Unemployment hit highs (as it does in any country undergoing structural readjustment) but inflation was down to 10% in 1990. depending on the month you chose - the percentage number varies.

    Poverty and inequality: as stated, our economy was undergoing radical readjustment but poverty relative to median incomes rose. Poverty as compared to real 3rd world poverty.... is another story.

    Nonetheless, the UK is in a better place now that it would have been without Thatcher, the adjustments were always going to have to happen. Some argue that it should have happened slower but the unions had already stopped Jim Callaghan's efforts in the Wilson government. Our industries produced poor quality goods then and labour relations were appalling.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    From The Economist of 13 April.

    Margaret Thatcher
    Freedom fighter
    Now especially, the world needs to hold fast to Margaret Thatcher’s principles
    Apr 13th 2013 |From the print edition

    ONLY a handful of peacetime politicians can claim to have changed the world. Margaret Thatcher was one. She transformed not just her own Conservative Party, but the whole of British politics. Her enthusiasm for privatisation launched a global revolution and her willingness to stand up to tyranny helped to bring an end to the Soviet Union. Winston Churchill won a war, but he never created an “-ism”.

    The essence of Thatcherism was to oppose the status quo and bet on freedom—odd, since as a prim, upwardly mobile striver, she was in some ways the embodiment of conservatism. She thought nations could become great only if individuals were set free. Unlike Churchill’s famous pudding, her struggles had a theme: the right of individuals to run their own lives, as free as possible from micromanagement by the state.

    Continued....


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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    From The Economist of 13 April.

    Margaret Thatcher
    Freedom fighter
    Now especially, the world needs to hold fast to Margaret Thatcher’s principles
    Apr 13th 2013 |From the print edition

    ONLY a handful of peacetime politicians can claim to have changed the world. Margaret Thatcher was one. She transformed not just her own Conservative Party, but the whole of British politics. Her enthusiasm for privatisation launched a global revolution and her willingness to stand up to tyranny helped to bring an end to the Soviet Union. Winston Churchill won a war, but he never created an “-ism”.

    The essence of Thatcherism was to oppose the status quo and bet on freedom—odd, since as a prim, upwardly mobile striver, she was in some ways the embodiment of conservatism. She thought nations could become great only if individuals were set free. Unlike Churchill’s famous pudding, her struggles had a theme: the right of individuals to run their own lives, as free as possible from micromanagement by the state.

    Continued.......

    http://Remembering the Iron Lady Mar...ary politician
    Good evening, Jack.

    Excellent article! Thanks for posting it, as I do not subscribe to the Economist.

    Did you see what is being called a snub of Argentina, because they have not been invited to attend her funeral? Some people carry long grudges!
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, Jack.

    Excellent article! Thanks for posting it, as I do not subscribe to the Economist.

    Did you see what is being called a snub of Argentina, because they have not been invited to attend her funeral? Some people carry long grudges!
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Just announced, Thatcher dies of a stroke.

    About time. The news is so new that only a ticker-tape...

    Telegraph.co.uk - Telegraph online, Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph - Telegraph

    Edit: fuller report
    BBC News - Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies, aged 87
    RIP Thatcher... but much more importantly, Annette Funicello died.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    From The Economist of 13 April.

    Margaret Thatcher
    Freedom fighter
    Now especially, the world needs to hold fast to Margaret Thatcher’s principles
    Apr 13th 2013 |From the print edition

    ONLY a handful of peacetime politicians can claim to have changed the world. Margaret Thatcher was one. She transformed not just her own Conservative Party, but the whole of British politics. Her enthusiasm for privatisation launched a global revolution and her willingness to stand up to tyranny helped to bring an end to the Soviet Union. Winston Churchill won a war, but he never created an “-ism”.

    The essence of Thatcherism was to oppose the status quo and bet on freedom—odd, since as a prim, upwardly mobile striver, she was in some ways the embodiment of conservatism. She thought nations could become great only if individuals were set free. Unlike Churchill’s famous pudding, her struggles had a theme: the right of individuals to run their own lives, as free as possible from micromanagement by the state.

    Continued......

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    Calling the results of "Thatcherism" prosperity is the real problem.................
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Calling the results of "Thatcherism" prosperity is the real problem.................
    We'll just have to disagree. Good evening, Bonz.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We'll just have to disagree. Good evening, Bonz.
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