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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    First this is a thread about Margaret Thatcher, second of course I'm wrong if I mentioned there was a Constitution - what I mentioned was a "constitutional right to choose their own future."
    Well, there IS a constitution, just not a codified one. There's also a Bill of Rights, and has been since 1689. This is virtually the first thing you learn as a politics undergraduate.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

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    **** the Catholics sympathy the protestants have been their for hundreds of years and have rights as well, if they don't like it they are welcome to move south of the border.
    If you had read my posts on this subject, you would realize that I recognize that the majority of the population is Unionist and thus support British sovereignty unless at some point in the future a majority wish to reunify with Ireland.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, there IS a constitution, just not a codified one. There's also a Bill of Rights, and has been since 1689. This is virtually the first thing you learn as a politics undergraduate.
    Thanks Andy, I knew that - was trying to decipher what our Austrian (Irish Catholic?) Economist is on about.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The meaning of your post was quite clear.

    And at least when I speak about northern pubs, I know what I'm talking about. They tend to be populated by hard working, hard drinking men. As I said, stick to London if you ever visit. You'll be much more comfortable there.
    The meaning of my post was quite clear but you teetered to the wrong conclusion.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There are a lot of sources to show what the reality of her régime looked like. This documentary is beautifully made and tells the full story of the miners' strike...

    Andy, you don't have to convince me that there were certain aspects of her leadership that were very problematical. To draw upon my earlier analogy, I loathe many of Reagan's policies, and those I loathe most were those that engineered our society away from egalitarianism.

    That being said, I would sound pretty ridiculous were I to say he was the worst person ever to have lived. Such hyperbole is so arch that any person making such a statement is more likely a POE than a legitimate poster, as it is so far off the charts as to be the stuff of parody.

    Reasonable people make reasonable statements and it is quite possible to detest certain aspects of a politician's platform while analyzing other parts with a fair mind. Only an extreme idealogue treats opposing ideologies as the embodiment of pure evil and treats them as such even as they do not even BEGIN to approach that level seen in modern history.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Andy, you don't have to convince me that there were certain aspects of her leadership that were very problematical. To draw upon my earlier analogy, I loathe many of Reagan's policies, and those I loathe most were those that engineered our society away from egalitarianism.

    That being said, I would sound pretty ridiculous were I to say he was the worst person ever to have lived. Such hyperbole is so arch that any person making such a statement is more likely a POE than a legitimate poster, as it is so far off the charts as to be the stuff of parody.

    Reasonable people make reasonable statements and it is quite possible to detest certain aspects of a politician's platform while analyzing other parts with a fair mind. Only an extreme idealogue treats opposing ideologies as the embodiment of pure evil and treats them as such even as they do not even BEGIN to approach that level seen in modern history.
    I don't disagree and, as far as I can see, there's been just the slightly hysterical Penderyn, and HoJ making such overblown condemnations. What you need to bear in mind however, is that there is a sizeable proportion of the British and Irish populations for whom she was the most divisive and most authoritarian politician they've had to live with. You can see from that YT doc the depth of the social unrest she generated. Of course her defenders will argue that she wasn't to blame, and we'll disagree. There have been many, many worse world leaders than her just in my lifetime, but none of them were British.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    -- There have been many, many worse world leaders than her just in my lifetime, but none of them were British.
    No surprise Callaghan, Heath and Wilson all get a free pass from you. To you, the UK industry and economy in the 1970's was just peachy.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, actually they weren't very happy in the 1950's. They still had food rationing from the Second World War for part of it. It's hard to be deliriously happy when you still have food rationing.
    They'd just survived a war against the Nazis, making food rationing a rather minor complaint in comparison. All you need to is look back at the media of the time and talk to the people who were there and they'll have quite a different response.

    They were a far hardier bunch that the wusses of today who must have the government look after them or permanent scars are left on their psyches.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    or people who lost their livelihood and their communities.....
    And that's something for which everyone should be prepared. Continuing in the same drudgery for decades is not only soul destroying it is impossible to maintain.

    It is our responsibility to ourselves and our families to learn to adapt to changing times and be prepared for it. Those who can't do that only have themselves, and perhaps their 'communities', to blame.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    LOL, Thatcher was never Prime Minister of Germany or America. She took over a has been country run into the ground by powerful unions and 11 years later left a far healthier country. The same British people you claim she hated had the right to buy their own council homes and 1 in 4 of us had shares in private companies.

    That's not hate - all you're describing is your envy of her acheivements.
    Infinate, Thatcher was a psychopath. Plain and simple. Her projects were not intended to help people, they were there simply to create the society she wanted.

    Lest there be an argument as to her being a psychopath. Not all psychopaths are mass murderer's. Indeed many are businessmen and in Management where their ability not to feel or care about other people often is an asset as it appeared to be for her. She cared not one bit when people died on hunger strikes or the sinking of the Belgrano or any of the other things which have been mentioned. You mentioned her taking away community feeling. Indeed she did. Taking control from local councils definitely took away the ability for councils to work for what was best for the people of the community and hence create positive community feeling but what would that matter to someone who believed she was God and had no empathy or understanding for anyone who did not share her mindset - one of the problems of the psychopath due to their lack of empathy.

    Whatever else she was, she was a psychopath. I have been surprised at people's response to her but i understand that the TUC have been selling Thatcher Death pack's for a couple of years or so, so in some sense prepared. The country which she took over would never have acted towards a leader dying like that imo, but as she taught us, greed is good, the individual is all that matters, there is no society and compassion is for fools.
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