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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I hated her on her Irish policy so don't make no bones about it.. Despite what people think..was the best move she ever made.
    What was the best move she ever made? Her Irish policy? You are kidding, no?
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    During her tenure as PM she banned British broadcasters from using the real voices of the IRA leadership, allowed collusion and the killing of citizens by covert operations in Northern Ireland. Do you know who the actor Stephen Rea is? He was in V for Vendetta and such.. well he was the hired actor that the British broadcasters used to get around Thatcher's banning of IRA leadership being given a voice. He was the voice of Gerry Adams.

    As Gerry Adams said today, her Irish policy was a total and absolute failure...

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Scargill may have been a dismissed as a demagogue, but his dire predictions were largely fulfilled.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Scargill may have been a dismissed as a demagogue, but his dire predictions were largely fulfilled.
    Well he was much worse than a 'demagogue'. This Stalin admirer was also a scumbag thief.

    Although you never mentioned his 'predictions', they are hardly of any interest.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Scargill may have been a dismissed as a demagogue, but his dire predictions were largely fulfilled.
    Yes, they were. If only he'd been what he projected himself to have been.

    Those of us, I'm sure you were one, who supported the miners with every effort we could muster were working not to support Scargill, but to support the thousands of decent, hard-working blue-collar families who were being repressed by an autocratic and authoritarian state, intent on destroying communities, solidarity and a way of life that they'd never chosen, but which the ruling classes had imposed upon them for over two centuries. No one was opposing change, but they were damned if they were being made sacrificial lambs to the slaughter just because the bankers and stockbrokers had decided on a different business model.

    To this day I'll never understand why Scargill made the tactical error of refusing the strike vote. He'd have won 90-10%. I suspect he couldn't stomach the precedent that would have undermined the representative model of union organisation. It was a major mistake though, as Mick McGachy and Peter Heathfield have subsequently admitted.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm glad you used the quotation marks. What kind of army uses no weapons? You didn't watch that YT doc about Orgreave, did you?
    I've read about Orgreave, including how the charges were dropped. I had no desire to spend 52 minutes of my life watching something there are short precis about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I agreed with that. Funny how she wasn't very keen on secret votes for elections within the Tory party. She wasn't elected by 'one member, one vote', but still felt it appropriate to impose on the trades unions. Yup, giving the police draconian powers to prevent the free movement of citizens and the right to free, peaceful assembly. Not true, that already happened, and in a significantly more democratic manner than did the Tory party.
    Thatcher went head to head against Ted Heath and had a lot of back-bench support while the Tory Grandees supported Heath. He stood down but she still had to go for a second ballot where she received the support of 149 Tory MPs. Are you talking about the MPs not supporting her or the conservative party membership? Personally I believe the MPs (of all parties) know among themselves who commands the highest respect and leadership qualities. I certainly think the membership should have some form of say but the perfect example of how this can provide lame duck leaders is the recent contest between Ed and David Miliband. Ed was foisted onto the Labour party by the unions while the MPs went for David. (if I recall correctly)

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Why don't you mention that unemployment in 1979 was 1.3 million and in 1991 it was 2.3 million?
    Many of those jobs came from industries that the taxpayer subsidised. Coal mines that made no money or profit. Where is the economic sense in taking taxpayer money to put people into jobs producing something we couldn't export and which faced cheaper / more efficient / better quality imports?

    Yes many towns and communities lost their central industry but this comes down to what kind of society we want - we still have a legacy of people who sit in their local communities and demand that life treat them well or take care of them while hardworking Polish immigrants come and do the work local Brits refuse to do. Tebbit was hated for his "get on your bike and look for work" statements but at heart - he was right. If you looked for work, you could find it - even in the worst of the 80's unemployment era.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That's Lie #1 of the Thatcher revisionists. What statistical data are you using to make that claim? I'm using government's own stats: 1979 unemployment 1.3 million, 1991 unemployment 2.3 million.
    It reached 3.2 million under Thatcher at one point but that doesn't change that many of the lost jobs were unsustainable anyway.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What was the best move she ever made? Her Irish policy? You are kidding, no?
    Sorry, misunderstanding, striking miners. On the Irish policy I am personally hoping she's burning in hell.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    As Gerry Adams said today, her Irish policy was a total and absolute failure...

    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Sorry, misunderstanding, striking miners. On the Irish policy I am personally hoping she's burning in hell.
    Very classy. You should take a leaf from Martin McGuiness' thoughts.

    She regretted signing the Anglo Irish agreement but as another poster commented earlier - that paved the way later for the peace that now reigns.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Andy, I hope you realise I was referencing her vascular dementia.
    Curious that both she and her soulmate Reagan suffered from dementia. Almost prophetic.

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