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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    No, vascular dementia can be a quite sudden process. You know how a stroke can degrade your motor faculties - the same can happen to your cognitive ones. This is the dementia Thatcher likely suffered from.

    Even with the progressive types, I'm not sure I'd like to be in a position to judge when they legally crossed that "line".
    It can be sudden and it can not be sudden.
    And unless you knew Thatcher personally, you cannot know which was the case for her. So I am going to assume she was sane even after she knew of her condition until I see factual evidence to the contrary.


    Nevertheless, as I typed, it should be up to the state to have to prove you are not sane, not the other way around.

    And no, it would not be easy. But that is fine also.

    It should always be difficult for the state to take basic rights and freedoms away (which committing suicide should be)...not easy.

    Sane until proven insane.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What on Earth are you talking about?

    Where EXACTLY did I say ANYTHING about removing their right to live?

    And I was the ONLY one who had empathy for my mother while she slowly died...so save your words...you clearly know NOTHING what I feel on the subject.

    Are you suggesting that I wanted my mother killed? Are you nuts...I love her. AndI would take care of her again if the need arose (as impossible as that is) despite my feelings on the subject.


    All you see is I am not being 'respectful' enough...so you automatically judge and put words in my mouth.

    I said nothing of murdering the terminally ill or taking away their right to free choice - and yet you appeared to assume otherwise.



    You got a problem with my words? Fine.

    Just make sure they are my words that I typed and not your words that you assumed I did.


    Most people live on fear.

    And fear of death is the biggest one.

    So they resent any hint of 'disrespect' for those that choose to live as long as they possibly can...no matter the cost to their friends and family.


    I do not care what you say...it is INCREDIBLY selfish to be old AND have a terminal disease AND require others to look after you AND force them to be unhappy as they slowly watch you die.

    The selfless thing to do would be to kill yourself.

    And I am NOT...repeat NOT...talking about murdering them or removing their freedom of choice.

    I am saying they should do the selfless, honourable thing and freely decide to end their own lives at that point and save those they love immense suffering just so they can live a few months more.

    And with the population aging rapidly, this problem is only going to get worse.

    You disagree - you are wrong.


    Have a nice day.
    who are you to suggest that ?

    My solution is simple - assisted suicide should be legal for any sane person AND the government should stop providing anything but emergency assistance to people after 80 (and no - murdering them is not an option as you mentioned).

    if thats easy ,do it when you are old.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    who are you to suggest that ?

    My solution is simple - assisted suicide should be legal for any sane person AND the government should stop providing anything but emergency assistance to people after 80 (and no - murdering them is not an option as you mentioned).

    if thats easy ,do it when you are old.
    I will.

    'Better to be dead and cool, then alive and uncool'.

    Amen.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I will.

    'Better to be dead and cool, then alive and uncool'.

    Amen.
    never talk big
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It can be sudden and it can not be sudden.
    And unless you knew Thatcher personally, you cannot know which was the case for her. So I am going to assume she was sane even after she knew of her condition until I see factual evidence to the contrary.


    Nevertheless, as I typed, it should be up to the state to have to prove you are not sane, not the other way around.

    And no, it would not be easy. But that is fine also.

    It should always be difficult for the state to take basic rights and freedoms away (which committing suicide should be)...not easy.

    Sane until proven insane.
    The flaws of capital punishment extrapolated to an ever growing population in our societies. Wonderful.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Oh yes I was. Jailed twice for protesting against her police state; once supporting the miners, once for opposing her Falklands adventure.
    I hated her on her Irish policy so don't make no bones about it.. Despite what people think..was the best move she ever made.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    The flaws of capital punishment extrapolated to an ever growing population in our societies. Wonderful.
    Okaaaay.

    Suicide has virtually nothing to do with capital punishment except in the result (death).


    I am against capital punishment, btw.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    never talk big
    Sure...whatever.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The Irish leadership and the IRA meet Thatcher halfway on any and all wrongdoings that have only aggravated the situation there.

    I'm not aware with the specifics of what you talk about the Catholic community, but I will inform myself. I cannot say for certain whether this has any justification or not, so far. You are entitled to your opinion however, and I shall seek for information.
    During her tenure as PM she banned British broadcasters from using the real voices of the IRA leadership, allowed collusion and the killing of citizens by covert operations in Northern Ireland. Do you know who the actor Stephen Rea is? He was in V for Vendetta and such.. well he was the hired actor that the British broadcasters used to get around Thatcher's banning of IRA leadership being given a voice. He was the voice of Gerry Adams.

    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, it's mostly just people who work hard at jobs where they sometimes get their hands dirty.
    Like this guy? He certainly had dirty hands.
    Arthur Scargill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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