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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Did I associate them with prodigious intellect? I mean such that, by comparison, the mentality of the average southern pub-goer is diminutive?
    I assumed that when you said "I'd have given a lot to see Thatcher stroll into a northern pub. Oh, to have been a fly on that wall. Especially back in the day. *sigh*", that a lively debate would ensue and that they might be Thatcher's intellectual equals.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Andy, I hope you realise I was referencing her vascular dementia.
    That's why I liked your post. She was all kinds of bad things in her day, but she was never insane.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    they still have the right to live even if they are old..a little empathy please .
    What on Earth are you talking about?

    Where EXACTLY did I say ANYTHING about removing their right to live?

    And I was the ONLY one who had empathy for my mother while she slowly died...so save your words...you clearly know NOTHING what I feel on the subject.

    Are you suggesting that I wanted my mother killed? Are you nuts...I love her. AndI would take care of her again if the need arose (as impossible as that is) despite my feelings on the subject.


    All you see is I am not being 'respectful' enough...so you automatically judge and put words in my mouth.

    I said nothing of murdering the terminally ill or taking away their right to free choice - and yet you appeared to assume otherwise.



    You got a problem with my words? Fine.

    Just make sure they are my words that I typed and not your words that you assumed I did.


    Most people live on fear.

    And fear of death is the biggest one.

    So they resent any hint of 'disrespect' for those that choose to live as long as they possibly can...no matter the cost to their friends and family.


    I do not care what you say...it is INCREDIBLY selfish to be old AND have a terminal disease AND require others to look after you AND force them to be unhappy as they slowly watch you die.

    The selfless thing to do would be to kill yourself.

    And I am NOT...repeat NOT...talking about murdering them or removing their freedom of choice.

    I am saying they should do the selfless, honourable thing and freely decide to end their own lives at that point and save those they love immense suffering just so they can live a few months more.

    And with the population aging rapidly, this problem is only going to get worse.

    You disagree - you are wrong.


    Have a nice day.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    This is why, using Thatcher as your example, you fail.
    Fail at what?

    Making sense - like you are right now (IMO)?
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Fail at what?
    Using Thatcher as an example for your assisted suicide argument. She suffered from dementia, so informed consent is pretty tricky - which is why assisted suicide is difficult to legislate for. The potential for corruption is very large.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are northern pubs where the great minds of Britain congregate?
    No, it's mostly just people who work hard at jobs where they sometimes get their hands dirty.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Using Thatcher as an example for your assisted suicide argument. She suffered from dementia, so informed consent is pretty tricky - which is why assisted suicide is difficult to legislate for. The potential for corruption is very large.
    What?

    I highly doubt that she went to bed one night fully cognizant and then woke up the next day out of her tree.

    Dementia is a slow process.

    There surely would have been many points along the way where she was knowing her condition but still sane enough to decide her future...especially someone as intelligent as she was.


    Freedom is absolute.

    I should be able to legally end my life whenever I wish and it should be up to the state to prove I am not of sound mind...not up to me to prove I am.


    That a sane person cannot legally take their own life is absolutely ridiculous.

    If you disagree - you are wrong.


    Have a nice day.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What?

    I incredibly highly doubt that she went to bed one night fully cognizant and then woke up the next day out of her tree.

    Dementia is a slow process.

    There surely would have been many points along the way where she was knowing her condition but still sane enough to decide her future...especially someone as intelligent as she was.


    Freedom is absolute.

    I should be able to legally end my life whenever I wish and it should be up to the state to prove I am not of sound mind...not up to me to prove I am.


    That a sane person cannot legally take their own life is absolutely ridiculous.

    If you disagree - you are wrong.


    Have a nice day.
    No, vascular dementia can be a quite sudden process. You know how a stroke can degrade your motor faculties - the same can happen to your cognitive ones. This is the dementia Thatcher likely suffered from.

    Even with the progressive types, I'm not sure I'd like to be in a position to judge when they legally crossed that "line".

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's not about simple dislike. Many, many people that I dislike have died, but very very few of them had a particularly direct effect that in any way blighted the lives of so many people who have been important to me. She did, and I'm really not sorry she's gone.
    Not being sorry is not the same as being joyful.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Not being sorry is not the same as being joyful.
    Hmm. It's a fine line for me. My rational head says one thing, my instinct and emotions say something else.
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