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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No, but only cowards stretch out their lives when they are old, have terminal diseases that require lots of attention and care from their families.

    You don't agree - you are wrong.

    It happened to both my parents - whom I love.

    They put their family/friends through hell just to stretch out their lives a few months...selfish and cowardly.

    And save your 'life is precious' comments...I heard it from my mother every week of my life.

    And I heard those words in my head as everyone abandoned her because she turned into an incredibly bitter and angry woman as her health failed...everyone but me. I as a young man looked after her in her dying days. Only I (and a nurse) was with her at the end.

    She was miserable, she made everyone else miserable (though I was too ignorant/naive and too busy taking care of her to feel anything) and it cost the family a TON of money (not just her money - everyone else's money. Possibly several hundred thousand dollars worth).

    And for what?

    Absolutely nothing.

    And the same goes for Margaret Thatcher if she put her friends/family through the same thing while she slowly lost her mind to dementia.


    My solution is simple - assisted suicide should be legal for any sane person AND the government should stop providing anything but emergency assistance to people after 80 (and no - murdering them is not an option as you mentioned).


    I await your no doubt, emotion based, closed-minded rant about how morally wrong I am.

    It will probably be filled with ignorance and naivety because the vast majority of people are so afraid of dying, so heck bent on living every second they can, no matter how miserable it makes their loved ones, that they don't dare hear that it is selfish - and it will be read and discarded.


    Have a nice day.


    they still have the right to live even if they are old..a little empathy please .
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In Communist countries there was 100% employment, but there was little production and what there was was third rate. That was the case in Britain when Margaret Thatcher took over, and she turned it around.
    No it wasn't. Another silly rightwing narrative. Thatcher was just a petite bourgeois bully (like Reagan) who borrowed from the future but gutting industries, training and worker skills, writing a blank check to the military, and then claming victory.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    My point was she is not comparable to Hitler I am not trying to argue she was heaven sent. But when some J*** A** claims they hate no one, then calls a democratically elected politician who leaves power without being forced out through use of arms, the most evil person that ever lived anywhere they are total BS liars. They do hate people and have no clue what Evil really is.
    I could care less if you agree/disagree with here politics, She was a human being that has died and she was not evil! Only the truly evils should have their deaths celebrated.
    You know like the J*** a**** that jump and scream for joy whenever someone they disagree with politically dies (that applies to all sides)
    Penderyn tends towards the hyperbolic.

    I don't think she was the worst human who ever lived and I don't think I've called her evil. I do think that she was the worst and most despotic PM the UK has had in my lifetime and I would use the word 'wicked'. I'm aware that it's a fine distinction between 'evil' and 'wicked', but the distinction I'd make is that the former I'd see as intrinsic, the latter relating more specifically to the actions she took. I hope you can see the difference.

    I do concede that my reaction to her death has been quite visceral, but the scars of that period of history are still quite raw for me and many others.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    My solution is simple - assisted suicide should be legal for any sane person AND the government should stop providing anything but emergency assistance to people after 80 (and no - murdering them is not an option as you mentioned).
    This is why, using Thatcher as your example, you fail.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are northern pubs where the great minds of Britain congregate?
    You mean, any more so than southern pubs?

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Penderyn tends towards the hyperbolic.

    I don't think she was the worst human who ever lived and I don't think I've called her evil. I do think that she was the worst and most despotic PM the UK has had in my lifetime and I would use the word 'wicked'. I'm aware that it's a fine distinction between 'evil' and 'wicked', but the distinction I'd make is that the former I'd see as intrinsic, the latter relating more specifically to the actions she took. I hope you can see the difference.

    I do concede that my reaction to her death has been quite visceral, but the scars of that period of history are still quite raw for me and many others.
    I have np with someone not liking her (or any other politician) but to claim joy at someone's death just because you disagreed with them politically and thus didn't like them is pretty sick IMHO. Yes Penderyn went overboard with their remarks. I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if you are in the same company or merely dislike Thatcher. If the former shame on you, if the latter then that is fine with me.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    You mean, any more so than southern pubs?
    it was you who mentioned northern pubs. They seem to hold a special significance for you.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    I have np with someone not liking her (or any other politician) but to claim joy at someone's death just because you disagreed with them politically and thus didn't like them is pretty sick IMHO. Yes Penderyn went overboard with their remarks. I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if you are in the same company or merely dislike Thatcher. If the former shame on you, if the latter then that is fine with me.
    It's not about simple dislike. Many, many people that I dislike have died, but very very few of them had a particularly direct effect that in any way blighted the lives of so many people who have been important to me. She did, and I'm really not sorry she's gone.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Andy, I hope you realise I was referencing her vascular dementia.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    it was you who mentioned northern pubs. They seem to hold a special significance for you.
    Did I associate them with prodigious intellect? I mean such that, by comparison, the mentality of the average southern pub-goer is diminutive?

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