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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    That Morrissey is smarter and more insightful than that dullard Thatcher? Yeah, there is an irony in that.
    Yeah, right, because you personally know therm both.

    Give the hate a rest.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No one's claiming she was a Hitler,
    or Pol Pot.

    Penderyn has actually indicated she is WORSE than either.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I see a definition as a starting point, not a statement of facts.
    A starting point to what? A muddled debate as to what a word means rather than accepting a commonly held definition that most everyone understands in order that a sensible debate might continue?
    Thatcher associated with and spoke highly of Suharto, I think Pinochet, and others of her time that were poor leaders and criminals.
    Does that make Thatcher a poor leader or a criminal? Keep in mind that she played the hand she was dealt, and played it extremely well.

    I also wouldn't trust the anti Thatcher media of the day to give honest opinions on any world leaders. They were generally judged by a left wing perspective, which is why President Reagan was demonized while Soviet leaders such as Gorbachev largely got a pass.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No one's claiming she was a Hitler, but violent repression was certainly a large part of her modus operandum. This shows you what took place...

    Why does doggerel inspire leftists? Anyone have an explanation?

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    I just wanted to go on record here by saying I don't have a doggerel in this fight.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I bid you adieu but I will leave you FW de Klerk's words on Margaret thatcher in return.

    She will be remembered not only as one of Britain's greatest prime ministers but also as a leader whose policies and approach had a significant impact on politics throughout the world. Although she was always a steadfast critic of apartheid, she had a much better grasp of the complexities and geo-strategic realities of South Africa than many of her contemporaries.
    I'm sure you believe the opinion of the leader of the Apartheid state above that of the leader of the Conservative Party on Thatcher's behaviour towards South Africa.

    David Cameron made another break with his party's past yesterday when he declared that Margaret Thatcher had been wrong to describe Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress as terrorists during the struggle against apartheid in the 1980s.

    The Tory leader also took a swipe at her famous - or to some infamous - remark that there was "no such thing as society". He said there was such a thing as society, but it should not be confused with the state.
    She was undoubtedly the best friend Apartheid had amongst western leaders.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm sure you believe the opinion of the leader of the Apartheid state above that of the leader of the Conservative Party on Thatcher's behaviour towards South Africa.
    De Klerk being the leader who recognised that Apartheid had no future, that Nelson Mandela would have to be freed. Thatcher disliked Botha - Botha tried to get Mandela to refute the ANC right to violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    She was undoubtedly the best friend Apartheid had amongst western leaders.
    Nobody comes out as a shining white knight from that period, the general public were the movers and shakers - getting companies to leave S Africa and to abandon industrial links there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No one's claiming she was a Hitler -
    You're right there, Penderyn claimed she was far worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    -- violent repression was certainly a large part of her modus operandum. This shows you what took place...
    Why don't you also show that Arthur Scargill decided to take on the government with his 1million strong "army?" Why don't you also show that the electorate was fed up of unions dictating economic and industrial policy to the rest of us?
    Thatcher imposed 3 important bits of legislation on the unions - the right to secret vote (away from union intimidation) secondary or flying pickets were banned (preventing power plant workers going on strike to defend miners for example) and forcing union leaders to face regular re-election?

    Why don't you show also that days lost to industrial action fell from 29 million in 1979 to less than half a million by 1990?

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    or Pol Pot.

    Penderyn has actually indicated she is WORSE than either.
    There are a lot of sources to show what the reality of her régime looked like. This documentary is beautifully made and tells the full story of the miners' strike...

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No one's claiming she was a Hitler, but violent repression was certainly a large part of her modus operandum. This shows you what took place...

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There are a lot of sources to show what the reality of her régime looked like. This documentary is beautifully made and tells the full story of the miners' strike...

    You give us 100 minutes of propaganda Andy - here's 4 minutes of factual review by ITN News.



    Not all miners wanted to strike - many wanted to work, that's the bit your videos gloss over.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No one's claiming she was a Hitler, but violent repression was certainly a large part of her modus operandum. This shows you what took place...

    Actually one person claimed she was worse than Hitler - in fact she was the worst person who ever lived.
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