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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    -- From what I have read of her premiership, she (like everyone) did good and bad things. -- The balance of opinion I have heard from those old enough to have lived during her 'reign', was that, on balance, she did more harm to the society of great Britain than good. She came across to many Britons as arrogant and lacking empathy, encouraged adulation of wealth, and introduced a certain mean-spiritedness to British society (as exemplified by her approach to the miners' strike, and the denial of milk to school children). Others, with more knowledge than I, may hold another opinion, but that is the impression I have gained.
    There is a dichotomy here - if Britons saw her as mean spirited and arrogant, lacking empathy - we wouldn't have voted for her. The milk issue was from 1974 when she stopped free milk for older primary school children. Enough time between 74 and 79 for people to choose not to vote for her if they disagreed this strongly enough. Trouble was Harold Wilson's Labour Govt had stopped free milk for secondary school children 4 years earlier but nobody remembers that. As for the miners and unions - they were election pledges, she campaigned for the popular vote on a manifesto to curb union power.

    You need to extend your reading back to the 70's to see why we were fed up; it wasn't just the winter of discontent in 1978/79 that was the problem - go right back to the problems in British Leyland, read up on working practices (including sleeping on the job) poor management, shoddy goods produced in what people lovingly called "British Industry" of the time - Austin Allegro for starters) the 3 day working week, going cap in hand to the IMF,

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    -- But she was a fellow human being, neither saint nor demon, who has made the journey we all must one day, and I wish her soul peace.
    Agreed and seconded.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    "There is no such thing as public money, only taxpayer money."

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And given the illegal tactics used by unions in her day, no wonder. And you would support a third-world tinpot dictator and illegal invasions, wouldn't you?
    Not as much as Reagan and Kissinger.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's right, you people vote for party which installs it's leader. Same answer to you then, the people kept voting in the party knowing she was leader and would remain PM.

    Can the games. Your position wasn't popular with your countrymen then as it isn't now.
    Actually most people didnt vote for her. The Tories never got more then 50% of the vote under her premiership. In many ways I blame our political/electoral system for what happend to the economy during the 80's. Sure the economic system that was in place during the 70s needed reform but not in the way Thatcher did it. People voted for these reforms under a system that descriminated against third parties and left people to choose between two extremes, and even then more people voted against her (if you add up Labour, the Lib-dems, and others) than for her.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Never heard this anecdote. Classic. Good article too.

    When the late Christopher Hitchens was a political reporter for the New Statesman, he corrected the prime minister on a point of fact, and she was quick to correct Hitchens in turn. She was right, he was wrong. In front of his journalist colleagues he was told to stand right in front of her so that she could hit him lightly with her order papers. Over the years, and through much re-telling, the story had it that Thatcher told Hitchens to bend over, and that she spanked him with her order papers.
    Margaret Thatcher: we disliked her and we loved it | Politics | The Guardian

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Actually most people didnt vote for her. The Tories never got more then 50% of the vote under her premiership. In many ways I blame our political/electoral system for what happend to the economy during the 80's. Sure the economic system that was in place during the 70s needed reform but not in the way Thatcher did it. People voted for these reforms under a system that descriminated against third parties and left people to choose between two extremes, and even then more people voted against her (if you add up Labour, the Lib-dems, and others) than for her.
    I guess fractionalized voting blocks are a good thing, but only when they do what socialists want them to....
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I guess fractionalized voting blocks are a good thing, but only when they do what socialists want them to....
    On the contrary Chile would have been better off without Salvador Allende for one

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

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    On the contrary Chile would have been better off without Salvador Allende for one
    Wow, some socialist you are....Allende was Marxist trash, I'd have thought you'd be all in for that.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, some socialist you are....Allende was Marxist trash, I'd have thought you'd be all in for that.
    Someone like Eduardo Frei Montalva* could have made similar refroms without the same instability that occured under Allende (creating the proconditions for Pinochets coup, not that that was what the coup was about). I guess its like Thatcher in reverse but this is maybe one for the history forum.

    *Who had enacted nationalisations by buying shares before Allende was elected.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    I do hope there is a hell.

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