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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    You're trying way too hard. But even that won't change the fact that Thatcher was a cretinous pathological Tory who hated working people.
    Trouble here is that you can't prove anything you say.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Trouble here is that you can't prove anything you say.
    I agree there is no proof that Thatcher hated working people, she was the daughter of a Grocer from Grantham in Lincolnshire who attended a state grammer school. In terms of Financial Services and the City she actually broke down the old School tie network and encouraged free enterprise.

    Thatcher is blamed a lot of the time for somehow destroying British Industry, but British Industry was already uncompetitive on a sliding slope after the 70's when under Labour Britain has nearly gone on t bankruptcy again and stagflation blighted the country. Nobody wanted ships built in Britain they were expensive and unions were constantly walking out, hence they had their ship built in the Far East, whilst by the late 70's the British Car Industry had become a national joke with constant walkouts, poor quality and design and very poor management and union relations. The same story could be applied to lots of British Industry and at the very least Thatcher's Monterist policies whether you agree with them or not helped to curb hyper inflation which had plagued the country back in the 1970's. Personally I think some people gloss over the 1970's when Britain was in deep trouble and go straight to Thatcher blaming her for everything which is far from the reality of the situation, she was in power at a difficult period of time, made some difficult decisions and stuck to her principles and beliefs and for that I admire her.
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Street parties and/or street violence in Brixton, Glasgow and Belfast. All the old hot spots.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Street parties and/or street violence in Brixton, Glasgow and Belfast. All the old hot spots.
    And in Doncaster, Grimethorpe, Derry and Sunderland. What? You were expecting them in Tunbridge Wells, Basildon and Chelsea?
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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You really don't know anything about socialist politics in the '80s, do you? Socialist Worker, Socialist Action, Militant and the like were tiny, fringe bit-part players
    Bit part players with a deep foothold within the labour party. I watched Kinnock's speeches you know. I watched as Labour tried to rid itself of a fifth column within and to move away from the "loony left" which Michael Foot had taken it.

    . Of course I wish Foot had won and that she had lost. That way we wouldn't be in the **** we're in now, and I'm not talking economically, although a lot of that can be laid at her door too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The question is, are we a freer, more cohesive, more at ease with ourselves nation now than in 1980? Are we more alienated or more unified? Is there greater social mobility, or less? Is there rampant social inequality or less? What real benefits can British society look at and ascribe to Thatcher?
    Freer - yes, we have a greater sense of individual responsibility, we have a more enterprising culture. Social mobility cannot be laid solely at Thatcher's door - she surrounded herself with young radical thinking advisors who pushed deregulation ideas and she also gave poor people the chance to own their own homes. Certainly stockbrokers and city workers no longer come from Eton, Winchester and or the Stockbroker belt around London.

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    What real benefits can British society look at and ascribe to Thatcher?
    We don't have the same all pervading threat from the USSR, home ownership was extended and our economy is a more free enterprise economy than it ever was. We are not continually subsidising British Leyland workers to sleep in well built nests during their night shifts, we don't build substandard ships and cars anymore and British products and manufacture are highly regarded once again. We are still a major manufacturer and the manufacture sector moved from low quality-high labour products to high value-specialised manufacture.
    We stopped competing in areas where cheap Chinese labour was always going to win and specialised in areas which would be hard for up and coming economies to duplicate and compete easily.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    She was 87 and apparently had suffered from dementia for years.

    Why really old people who are losing their mind hang on as long as possible is TOTALLY beyond me.

    I guess they are just afraid of dying.

    If I was permanently losing my mind - I would welcome death as fast as possible.

    Why would I hang on - so I can watch the pain on my friends/families faces as I slowly slip away from them?

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    shalll we kill them because they dont want to die ?

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

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    Home ownership.
    That's spelled REPOSSESSION these days.
    You will be able to show that the council homes that Thatcher enabled the poor to buy have been repossessed? We're also talking about something that happened over 30 years ago and you're blaming modern repossession on Thatcher in the 80's?

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The man from the "Independent" (centre right paper) sums it up very well in his assessment of "Thatcherism" rather than the lady herself.

    " ...We are in the midst of the third great economic collapse since the Second World War: all three have taken place since Thatcherism launched its great crusade. This current crisis has roots in the Thatcherite free market experiment, which wiped out much of the country’s industrial base in favour of a deregulated financial sector.
    LOL, the writer conveniently leaves out the economics of the 1970's when Britain had to go to the IMF for help. If that single incident is not a sign of a "great economic collapse" then nothing is. Let's leave out the 3 day week, power cuts across the country and all the other industrial nightmares of the 1970's shall we?

    Quote Originally Posted by Owen Jones - Independent Newspaper View Post
    this is a consequence of Thatcherism’s emptying communities of millions of secure, skilled industrial jobs. Large swathes of Britain – mining villages, steel towns and so on – were devastated, and never really recovered. Even when Britain was supposedly booming, the old industrial heartlands had high levels of what is rather clinically described as “economic inactivity”.
    The root of the hate: those "secure jobs for life" in mines, car factories and shipyards which were underwritten by the taxpayer, we just stumped up the bill whenever the unions demanded higher pay and weaker conditions on their working practice (i.e. staying awake on the job, actually producing something and horror of horrors - making something that actually was wanted and could be exported.)

    The crux of the problem is a belief the world owes you something and boy are you going to strike and riot till you get it. Not work for it - just strike.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And in Doncaster, Grimethorpe, Derry and Sunderland. What? You were expecting them in Tunbridge Wells, Basildon and Chelsea?
    Not surprised by where, but that it happened at all. She's been demented for the past decade or so and finally croaked. If she were in office it might make sense. Taking the high road might have been in order.

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    Re: Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
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    Thatcher's hatred of working people still give conservatives erections after all these years.
    Delusion much?
    How very apt.

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    Eastern Europe fell because of liberal policies that opened up the Soviet Union to western influence by getting over the Cold War lunacy. But I love your little rightwing narrative.
    Strange that many leaders and prominent figures in Eastern Europe and the old USSR seem to support Grant's position in this. Why do you think this is?

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