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    In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    The speed and deadliness of recent high-profile shootings have prompted police departments to recommend fleeing, hiding or fighting in the event of a mass attack, instead of remaining passive and waiting for help.

    The shift represents a “sea change,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, which recently held a meeting in Washington to discuss shootings like those in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo.

    The traditional advice to the public has been “don’t get involved, call 911,” Mr. Wexler said, adding, “There’s a recognition in these ‘active shooter’ situations that there may be a need for citizens to act in a way that perhaps they haven’t been trained for or equipped to deal with.”

    read more at: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/us...s&emc=rss&_r=0
    I don't know which is worse: That the previous advice of passivity was ever given...or the thought that anyone would take that advice.

    But, for those who need to be told what to do, I'm glad they are now being told to ACT LIKE A HUMAN BEING!!.

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    Re: In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    Thanks Captain Obvious of the no **** division. Whoever gave this advice is probably the same guy who told the police to cordon off the area first instead of trying to hunt down and kill the shooter. Good thing that was corrected after the Ecole Polytechnique shooting.

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    In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    I have a friend who went through workplace shooter training, and they were told to hide, run, and if all else fails confront.

    IMO it should be 1. Shoot attacker. 2. Continue shooting until attack ceases.
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    Re: In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I have a friend who went through workplace shooter training, and they were told to hide, run, and if all else fails confront.

    IMO it should be 1. Shoot attacker. 2. Continue shooting until attack ceases.
    I agree. The last thing the shooter would expect...mass resistance.

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    Re: In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I have a friend who went through workplace shooter training, and they were told to hide, run, and if all else fails confront.

    IMO it should be 1. Shoot attacker. 2. Continue shooting until attack ceases.
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    Re: In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    The shift represents a “sea change,”
    Reminds me of a great book:

    seachange-sylviaearle.jpg

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    Re: In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't know which is worse: That the previous advice of passivity was ever given...or the thought that anyone would take that advice.

    But, for those who need to be told what to do, I'm glad they are now being told to ACT LIKE A HUMAN BEING!!.

    Jezuz!!
    Unless one is armed, in my opinion it would take a miracle for teachers in a school to take down a shooter. Not like all the adults are gathered together. If I found myself in that situation, unarmed, I would run or hide or barricade. Ya' can't bring a knife to a gunfight. It never ends well.
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    Re: In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Unless one is armed, in my opinion it would take a miracle for teachers in a school to take down a shooter. Not like all the adults are gathered together. If I found myself in that situation, unarmed, I would run or hide or barricade. Ya' can't bring a knife to a gunfight. It never ends well.
    Unless you use the knife before the fight. Can't use a gun if you had your throat slit or just stabbed to death. You could also work on police response.

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    Re: In Shift, Police Advise Taking an Active Role to Counter Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Unless one is armed, in my opinion it would take a miracle for teachers in a school to take down a shooter. Not like all the adults are gathered together. If I found myself in that situation, unarmed, I would run or hide or barricade. Ya' can't bring a knife to a gunfight. It never ends well.
    Running and hiding is okay.

    My impression is that the previous advice was to just huddle in a corner.
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