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Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

nota bene said:
You don't understand that grief is as individual as those who experience it.

But never mind that. How sad a reflection is it on your life that your response is to sit in judgment of someone you don't know who has just experienced a horrific tragedy?
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When one is "judged", one learns to "judge"....................................
 
Bonzai said:
When one is "judged", one learns to "judge"....................................
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That kind of sounds like the defense child molestors use.
 
Warren seems like a guy I could have a beer with. Regardless of my personal feelings towards him, losing a kid isn't something he should have to endure in his lifetime.
 
Crosscheck said:
That kind of sounds like the defense child molestors use.
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You must have seen a different episode of Law & Order: SVU.................And I repeat, for your elightenment, I will judge those who have judged me..............................
 
mtm1963 said:
a needless one at that.......
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Ignoring the method of suicide does little to help educate others about the tragic potential of keeping a gun in the house with the mentally unstable.
 
Hatuey said:
Warren seems like a guy I could have a beer with. Regardless of my personal feelings towards him, losing a kid isn't something he should have to endure in his lifetime.
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No, no one should.

My best friend attended Saddleback for a couple of years and loved it. First time her husband ever was interested in church, but now he's very active in their Methodist church back home. They keep in touch with many friends they made, and I've formed a very favorable impression from her of Rick Warren as a pastor.
 
Catawba said:
Ignoring the method of suicide does little to help educate others about the tragic potential of keeping a gun in the house with the mentally unstable.
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i'm not looking at the political side of it as you are catawba.
 
Catawba said:
Ignoring the method of suicide does little to help educate others about the tragic potential of keeping a gun in the house with the mentally unstable.
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Never let a tragedy go to waste, eh?
 
mtm1963 said:
i'm not looking at the political side of it as you are catawba.
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I am looking at it from the perspective of how we prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future so other families don't have to endure the horrible loss of a loved one as the Warren's are going through.

Its not political as there is no political solution to this problem. This is a common sense problem, that will require common sense solutions, like not keeping a gun in the house when someone lives there who is suicidal.
 
Catawba said:
I am looking at it from the perspective of how we prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future so other families don't have to endure the horrible loss of a loved one as the Warren's are going through.

Its not political as there is no political solution to this problem. This is a common sense problem, that will require common sense solutions, like not keeping a gun in the house when someone lives there who is suicidal.
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So you should clear the house of everything that could be used to commit suicide?
 
Pilot said:
So you should clear the house of everything that could be used to commit suicide?
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Guns are the #1 choice for suicide in the US. So I would certainly start there. Statistics tell us that in many cases if a gun were not available quickly, many change their minds about suicide.

Would you keep a gun in the house with a suicidal son?
 
Surtr said:
I do, and it sucks. I feel sorry for them, but there's also anger in their sorrow. I hope they don't take it out on themselves.
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As Christians you can be assured the 1st priority of the Warrens is disassociating themselves from the "sin" , as for guilt or even selfreflection, you can lay money on both being utterly alien ideas.........................
 
Bonzai said:
Given the individuals involved, I'm sure the parents will go thru all the theatrics and proclamations of grief, but 3 weeks from now you'll probably be hardpressed to notice they'd "been through" anything.........................
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He was their Son and i'm sure they are devastated that he's no longer with them. I can also be sure that his family and friends will spend many years wondering what they might have done "better" to have protected him. Not just now, but years of pain to come, always wondering why. Something i wouldn't wish on anyone. This is part of the painful legacy left by suicide, and my heart goes out to them.

May he RIP.
 
Serenity said:
He was their Son and i'm sure they are devastated that he's no longer with them. I can also be sure that his family and friends will spend many years wondering what they might have done "better" to have protected him. Not just now, but years of pain to come, always wondering why. Something i wouldn't wish on anyone. This is part of the painful legacy left by suicide, and my heart goes out to them.

May he RIP.
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I agree. He sounded like a really great person too with a big compassionate heart. It is very sad.
 
I've had a couple of Marines commit suicide. It is... well, there isn't a better word for it, it is a ****ty way to go. (if it got astericked, it started with an "s" and referred to waste) Marines we lost in combat we could tell ourselves we lost For something. With suicide..... just a hole. An empty hole.


Those of you who have seen this as an opportunity to leap on a cause or on those you dislike.... I feel bad for you. :( It must be a joyless life, with a heart lacking in passion for others or (in at least one case) so full of vitriol.
 
Bonzai said:
A "real" parent suffering "real" grief about something "so terrible" WOULDN'T be able to issue press releases. Period.......................
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Come on man. This isn't the thread for you anti-religious tirades. Please show some respect and decency.
 
the_recruit said:
Come on man. This isn't the thread for you anti-religious tirades. Please show some respect and decency.
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True. I never cared for George Bush but if one of his daughters committed suicide I as a parent could feel empathy for him.

I have been to too many funerals with small caskets. It doesn't matter if you are 4 or 40 to a parent you are still their child.

To this day when my dad died during my childhood I still remember how his father, my grandfather, looked destroyed with suffering. He lost a son and saw his grandchild become fatherless. It was almost too much for him.
 
Sometimes, sadly, the loss of a child is too much for a parent. All the money or fame in the world can't help.
 
nota bene said:
Sometimes, sadly, the loss of a child is too much for a parent. All the money or fame in the world can't help.
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It is one of the most devastating things I could imagine. Such a loss can wreck even a strong person.
 
Goshin said:
It is one of the most devastating things I could imagine. Such a loss can wreck even a strong person.
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Yes, it can. If you're a parent reading this and have not lost a child, be grateful, so grateful, that all you can do is try to imagine. And suicide is particularly cruel--those left behind sometimes spend the rest of their lives wondering, "If only...." and blaming themselves.
 
Catawba said:
Not at all, just making a relevant observation.
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Would the house have been safer for the son if the gun had not been there? Considering that my dad used a piece of nylon cord to do himself in, I doubt it. But try defending yourself with that or, say, your bathtub. So much for relevance.
 
Catawba said:
Not at all, just making a relevant observation.
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Perhaps the doing more about mental illness is a relevant observation. Blaming guns is not.
 
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