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    Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The National Institute of Mental Health is saying: "Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."

    Would you leave a gun around a son with "severe depression and suicidal thoughts"?
    No, but the same paragraph you quoted also said to not leave the person alone, presumably until they get admitted to a mental health facility or hospital for an evaluation. My understanding is the son committed the act in his own home. It remains to be seen where, when, and under what circumstances he obtained the gun. Until then, I'll reserve judgment concerning Rick Warren.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    No, but the same paragraph you quoted also said to not leave the person alone, presumably until they get admitted to a mental health facility or hospital for an evaluation.
    So by your reasoning, if you can't do that, there is no point in limiting access to guns and other potential tools for suicide???

    My understanding is the son committed the act in his own home.
    It remains to be seen where, when, and under what circumstances he obtained the gun. Until then, I'll reserve judgment concerning Rick Warren.
    Fair enough, but we do know that Warren was aware his son suffered from severe depression and suicidal thoughts.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So by your reasoning, if you can't do that, there is no point in limiting access to guns and other potential tools for suicide???
    No, you can limit access to guns and everything else, like knives, tools, glass, bed sheets, shoelaces, rope, pills, household cleaners, nail clippers, etc. The only realistic way I see to do that indefinitely is to lock the person up in a mental hospital. What's your plan?
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The Southern California church headed by popular evangelical Pastor Rick Warren says his 27-year-old son has committed suicide.

    Warren's Saddleback Valley Community Church said in a statement that Matthew Warren had struggled with mental illness and deep depression throughout his life.

    "Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," the statement said.

    "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life."

    Read more: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide | Fox News
    One of the problems with fundamentalist Christianity is its combination of aversion to secular psychology and its tendency to inculcate false guilt.

    That combination can definitely contribute to sad situations like this.

    And, when it comes to creating a situational depression that never seems to end, there's nothing like having one's father so busy and concerned with the "souls" of others that he doesn't have time to spend with the heart of his own son.

    Not saying that happened here .. but I know it's happened plenty of times elsewhere, with similar results.

    Parents need to give their kids healthy attention .. or those kids might be compelled to unintentionally seek it by other tragic means.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fair enough, but we do know that Warren was aware his son suffered from severe depression and suicidal thoughts.
    Right. And mental health professionals counsel people daily who have those same characteristics but, nonetheless, enter their offices for a session and leave the same way they came in. Unless you're willing to lock them up in padded rooms indefinitely, I don't see how you can prevent some of them from becoming statistics. But, then again, living in a padded room indefinitely under a 24-hour suicide watch would be depressing.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion there Mr. anonymous internet poster! I'll go with the studies by the National Institute of Mental Health.
    And did the National Institute of Mental Health explain WHY people commit suicide?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    No, you can limit access to guns and everything else, like knives, tools, glass, bed sheets, shoelaces, rope, pills, household cleaners, nail clippers, etc. The only realistic way I see to do that indefinitely is to lock the person up in a mental hospital. What's your plan?
    Following the precautions recommended by the National Institute of Mental Health - "Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And did the National Institute of Mental Health explain WHY people commit suicide?
    "Research shows that risk factors for suicide include:

    * depression and other mental disorders, or a substance-abuse disorder (often in combination with other mental disorders). More than 90 percent of people who die by suicide have these risk factors.2
    * prior suicide attempt
    * family history of mental disorder or substance abuse
    * family history of suicide
    * family violence, including physical or sexual abuse
    * firearms in the home,3 the method used in more than half of suicides
    * incarceration
    * exposure to the suicidal behavior of others, such as family members, peers, or media figures"

    NIMH · Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Clearly this was not written for people who have been battling suicidal thoughts their entire life, it seems to be more of a guide for when you first recognize them. Are you saying they shouldn't have ever left him alone, and that they should have sought immediate help or called 911 daily?
    They are recommending the part you didn't highlight in what you are responding to here - "Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."
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