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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Over 50% of suicides agree with you on that. So good luck. Please be careful and watch out for warning signs in family members at least. It can't be pleasant to have a family member use your gun for suicide.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly why we want to stop selling them guns without any questions. Why do you think anyone should be able to buy a gun with no questions asked?
    What questions are really going to matter? Seriously.

    Are you planning a mass murder?
    Are you suicidal?

    No one planning a mass murder is going to say yes to that. No one who wants to kill themselves is going to say yes. That is pretty common sense. In all honestly a background check is just about all you can do. Anything more than that is pointless.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly why we want to stop selling them guns without any questions. Why do you think anyone should be able to buy a gun with no questions asked?
    I'm really not interested in a gun debate and shouldn't have become sidetracked. This thread is about the suicide of a young man and should stay on topic.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    While it is true that you can't stop at determined person from commiting suicide you can save many by limiting availability of guns.


    Why else would this be true?
    Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Gun prevalence and suicide rank by state
    If someone is going to use correlation as causation, why not use race? About 90% of suicides are committed by whites (Suicide Statistics at Suicide.org), so it stands to reason that largely rural, "white" states like Wyoming, where one would be hard-pressed to find a black person, would have higher suicide rates than "non-white" states. These are also, coincidentally, conservative "red" states where gun ownership tends to be tolerated. Notice also that the suicide rate in some of the highest "gun prevalent states," such as Mississippi and Alabama, is lower than Florida, which is listed in the lowest cohort of gun-owning states in Harvard's study. So I'm not convinced that gun ownership is any more of a causation of suicide than race. I mean, if the presence of firearms causes suicides or even permits them to occur more often, what's Japan's problem? Japanese people are very successful at killing themselves, even though it's almost impossible for a private Japanese citizen to own a gun.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    ... or a Korean, or a Chinese, or a Cuban.... In fact, even though the U.S. has guns up the wazoo, it's listed at #34 on the list of suicide rate by country.

    List of countries by suicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    What questions are really going to matter? Seriously
    Criminal and mental history.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Criminal and mental history.
    Agreed. Which is done by the background check, not a questionaire.

    Also, do you really think that criminals cannot be rehabilitated? I can understand a person in prison, or on probation/parole not being allowed to own a firearm but if a person has served out their sentence there should be no limitation on their rights or freedoms.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm really not interested in a gun debate and shouldn't have become sidetracked. This thread is about the suicide of a young man and should stay on topic.

    Many of us have an interest in suicide prevention, rather than just saying its tragic but we shouldn't talk about how it happened.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Agreed. Which is done by the background check, not a questionaire.
    Like 85% of gun owners, I too support background checks for all gun sales.

    Also, do you really think that criminals cannot be rehabilitated? I can understand a person in prison, or on probation/parole not being allowed to own a firearm but if a person has served out their sentence there should be no limitation on their rights or freedoms.
    I believe actions having consequences. Are willing to take on the liability if someone with a violent background is allowed to buy a gun and kills others with it? How will you bring back to life those killed if you were wrong?
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    I believe actions having consequences.
    Should they not be allowed to vote? Marry? Drive a car? Be outside after dark? Yes actions have consequences, but that should be the end of it. Not every crime should be a life long sentence. If a man gets convicted of a felony and a judge sentences him to 10 years, after 10 years it should be over. That is a consequence. Holding it over their head long after their punishment ends is just dumb.

    Are willing to take on the liability if someone with a violent background is allowed to buy a gun and kills others with it? How will you bring back to life those killed if you were wrong?
    No, because I am not the one who kills them. Are you willing to take on the liability if someone without a criminal record buys a gun and does it? Gets high and does it? Gets drunk? Does it with another means? That is not a very good question to be honest.
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