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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    You know the NRA has not stopped ALL studies relating to guns and gun deaths.

    •The Houston study interviewed 153 survivors of nearly-lethal suicide attempts, ages 13-34. Survivors of nearly-lethal attempts were thought to be more like suicide completers due to the medical severity of their injuries or the lethality of the methods used. They were asked: “How much time passed between the time you decided to complete suicide and when you actually attempted suicide?”

    One in four deliberated for less than 5 minutes! And nine out of ten deliberated less than a day (Simon 2005).

    24% said less than five minutes

    24% said 5-19 minutes

    23% said 20 minutes to 1 hour

    16% said 2-8 hours

    13% said 1 or more days
    •An Australian study of emergency department visits found 40% of attempters took action within 5 minutes of deciding to attempt (Williams 1980). The authors summarized seven earlier studies that found one-third to four-fifths of attempts were impulsive.
    •In an Australian study of survivors of self-inflicted gunshot wounds, 21 of 33 subjects (64%) stated that their attempt was due to an interpersonal conflict with a partner or family member (deMoore 1994). Most survivors were young men who did not suffer from major depression or psychosis, and the act was almost always described as impulsive. A similar study in Texas with 30 firearm attempters found 60% had experienced an interpersonal conflict during the 24 hours preceding their attempt (Peterson 1985).
    •At least one-third of suicide decedents under age 18 experienced a crisis within 24 hours of taking their life, according to NVISS data drawn from police and coroner/medical examiner reports. The proportion with a crisis declined with age. In some cases the crises were not just same-day but virtually same-moment (as when decedents shot themselves in the midst of an argument).
    •Interviews with 268 patients hospitalized for a poisoning suicide attempt in Sri Lanka found that just over half took the poison after less than 30 minutes of thought, often directly following an argument (Eddelston 2006). While most of the patients survived their attempts, 13 died. Like the nonfatal attempters, over half of those who died deliberated less than 30 minutes.

    More studies (Impulsivity & Planning)
    Harvard School of Public Health » Means Matter » Impulsivity and Crises

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We are trying to do exactly that. But the gun nuts think they should be allowed to purchase weapons with no questions asked.
    Well there are gangs of gun nuts roaming the streets of Chicago, ironically the Community Barrack Obama apparently organized. What is being done about that? Or Fast and Furious, when gun nuts in the Dept. of Justices unleashed all those weapons on the Mexican people? Any progress there?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

    We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.
    Some people have abnormal genes that rears it ugly head once in a while. My mother was afflicted with schizophrenia, she didn't commit suicide, but my brother's grandson committed suicide with my brother's gun who foolishly didn't lock it in a safe place.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You know the NRA has not stopped ALL studies relating to guns and gun deaths.


    Harvard School of Public Health » Means Matter » Impulsivity and Crises
    It seems your interest is more in guns than suicides. Would that be correct?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Some people have abnormal genes that rears it ugly head once in a while. My mother was afflicted with schizophrenia, she didn't commit suicide, but my brother's grandson committed suicide with my brother's gun who foolishly didn't lock it in a safe place.
    Further studies certainly have to be done to recognize what causes suicides and what we can do to more easily recognize the problems.

    From the available stats it's clear that access to guns is not the main cause of suicides.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well there are gangs of gun nuts roaming the streets of Chicago, ironically the Community Barrack Obama apparently organized.
    Exactly why we want to stop selling them guns without any questions. Why do you think anyone should be able to buy a gun with no questions asked?
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems your interest is more in guns than suicides. Would that be correct?
    You can't talk about suicide without mentioning guns. Unless you live in a NRA dream world of course. Guns and gun ownership are not all good. They present risks that people need to be aware of to make am intelligent decision about owning them. You have a problem with that?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems your interest is more in guns than suicides. Would that be correct?
    Since 56% of men use guns for suicide, any discussion of suicide prevention must address guns as pointed out by the National Institute of Mental Health.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You can't talk about suicide without mentioning guns. Unless you live in a NRA dream world of course. Guns and gun ownership are not all good. They present risks that people need to be aware of to make am intelligent decision about owning them. You have a problem with that?
    'Mentioning guns' is much different than you going off on an yet another emotional anti gun rant.

    I'll take the miniscule risk involved, intelligently decide to keep mine, and you can stop having a problem with that.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    'Mentioning guns' is much different than you going off on an yet another emotional anti gun rant.

    I'll take the miniscule risk involved, intelligently decide to keep mine, and you can stop having a problem with that.
    Over 50% of suicides agree with you on that. So good luck. Please be careful and watch out for warning signs in family members at least. It can't be pleasant to have a family member use your gun for suicide.
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