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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Unless you get your stomach pumped.
    Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

    We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

    We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.
    Wrong. And the DATA proves it.

    Says HSPH Professor of Health Policy David Hemenway, the ICRC’s director: “Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.”
    But few can survive a gun blast. That’s why the ICRC’s Catherine Barber has launched Means Matter, a campaign that asks the public to help prevent suicide deaths by adopting practices and policies that keep guns out of the hands of vulnerable adults and children. For details, visit Harvard School of Public Health Means Matter.
    Harvard School of Public Health HSPH News Guns and suicide: A fatal link

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Again, I am not going to nitpick on the smaller points, but speak to the issue at large. I refuse to be sucked in by word games.

    So, if someone decides to commit suicide, they are not responsible? Only the instrument they use is, and everybody else who has an instrument like it is supposed to be penalized for what that person did? Sorry, but as I already stated, that statement is idiotic. The person who did the act is RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

    We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.

    56% of men use guns for suicide in the US and 13% use poison.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    56% of men use guns for suicide in the US and 13% use poison.
    "If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, and spoons made Rosie O’ Donnell fat."

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, and spoons made Rosie O’ Donnell fat."
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Again, I am not going to nitpick on the smaller points, but speak to the issue at large. I refuse to be sucked in by word games.

    So, if someone decides to commit suicide, they are not responsible? Only the instrument they use is, and everybody else who has an instrument like it is supposed to be penalized for what that person did? Sorry, but as I already stated, that statement is idiotic. The person who did the act is RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS.
    Now I have heard it all. Suicide is NEVER a responsible action and it is often done at the spur of the moment. The data shows that just having a gun around results in a higher number of suicides per capita. You should at least be able to weigh the pros AND cons of gun ownership accurately, don't you think?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If the problem is crazy people then that's the problem that should be addressed.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Now I have heard it all. Suicide is NEVER a responsible action and it is often done at the spur of the moment. The data shows that just having a gun around results in a higher number of suicides per capita. You should at least be able to weigh the pros AND cons of gun ownership accurately, don't you think?
    How do you know suicide is done "at the spur of the moment"? Do you have any understanding of how depression works?

    Here is a list of countries which have the highest suicide rates in the world. Why not check to see how many fit your criteria?

    List of countries by suicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If the problem is crazy people then that's the problem that should be addressed.
    We are trying to do exactly that. But the gun nuts think they should be allowed to purchase weapons with no questions asked.
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