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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    1) Psalm 90:12 says, " Teach us to number our days
    so that we may truly live and achieve wisdom." another translation says, "Teach us to use wisely, all the time we have". another translation says " Teach us to realize how short our lives are.
    Then our hearts will become wise." another translation says "Teach us to use wisely, all the time we have". (reading all of Psalm 90 in context, in a translation that numbers the lines differently), " Oh! Teach us to live well!
    Teach us to live wisely and well!
    Come back, God—how long do we have to wait?—
    and treat your servants with kindness for a change.
    Surprise us with love at daybreak;
    then we’ll skip and dance all the day long.
    Make up for the bad times with some good times;
    we’ve seen enough evil to last a lifetime.
    Let your servants see what you’re best at—
    the ways you rule and bless your children.
    And let the loveliness of our Lord, our God, rest on us,
    confirming the work that we do.
    Oh, yes. Affirm the work that we do!" __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ 2) Psalm 90 is absolutely not related to suicide in any way. Taking one line out of context to pretend otherwise, is as deliberately false as the preacher who didn't like the trend of hairstyles, who quoted, instead of "Let he who is on the mountain top, not come off", as "Let he who is on the mountain, ....TOP KNOT COME OFF!!!" , __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ 2) That was Moses speaking to God, neither God speaking to Moses nor God speaking through Moses. Psalm 90 is a prayer, from Moses to God. When we pray to God, God isn't telling us what to say, even when it's a prophet who's praying to God. God listens patiently when we pray to Him, He doesn't put words in our mouths when we talk to Him, even (especially) when it's someone specially assigned by God to speak for Him (a prophet). Certain prayers are included in the Bible because they are an excellent example of how to talk to God. Those prayers are not commands to humans, they are requests to God. Humans are certainly not commanded to obey comments that are not even directed at a human.
    I did not take it out of context, I quoted his tweet where he did actually use suicide. Thank you for making bad excuses.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Ew.

    Ew, ew, ew.

    All this nastiness and politicizing and crap flinging is just disgusting.

    These people just lost their child to an invisible disease that refused to respond to treatment. That is horrible.

    I have no real love for the mega-church movement, and I don't particularly like most of the people involved with it, but these are people who just lost their son.

    If you can't say something nice, just don't speak. This is not an opportunity for your hackish political catch phrases, and it's certainly not an opportunity for you to assign malice to people who just lost a child, simply because they informed the church of their loss. How cynical and conniving and gross.

    Oh my god. Just... what is wrong with you people?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It's against it.
    Thanks for playing, Tererun.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's remarkable that some would suggest a pattern of behavior as to how others should grieve for their loss. We all grieve in our own way. There is no correct procedure.
    And one of the terrible myths of parental bereavement is, "Thank goodness you have each other." Sometimes, this simply isn't true. One parent will be stoic, and the other will falsely see that partner as "not caring." Grief is uniquely experienced, and while it's a blessing when the burden can be shared, very often it just isn't.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Ew.

    Ew, ew, ew.

    All this nastiness and politicizing and crap flinging is just disgusting.

    These people just lost their child to an invisible disease that refused to respond to treatment. That is horrible.

    I have no real love for the mega-church movement, and I don't particularly like most of the people involved with it, but these are people who just lost their son.

    If you can't say something nice, just don't speak. This is not an opportunity for your hackish political catch phrases, and it's certainly not an opportunity for you to assign malice to people who just lost a child, simply because they informed the church of their loss. How cynical and conniving and gross.

    Oh my god. Just... what is wrong with you people?
    Thank you for asking this question. I don't know the answer--how people can sit in judgment of an experience that they blessedly know nothing about or exploit instantly a partisan angle or whatever. These are two heartbroken parents and two siblings who are still in shock. The detachment and lack of compassion just stun me.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I did not take it out of context, I quoted his tweet where he did actually use suicide. Thank you for making bad excuses.
    I didn't make any excuses, and I find your excuse amusing, particularly since no one accused you of taking anything out of context.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    He was probably a bit more reasonable than some of the extremes, but that doesn't mean he was compassionate or caring towards others. There is a difference between being better than a really big asshole and being good.
    Do you feel you are compassionate and caring towards others, Tererun?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So it is just completely by accident they speak of a book they have not read?
    Based on the things you say about Christians I suspect you have not read it either, or at least not appreciated it. There are only 2 unforgivable sins listed in the Bible, and suicide isn't either of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    He was probably a bit more reasonable than some of the extremes, but that doesn't mean he was compassionate or caring towards others. There is a difference between being better than a really big asshole and being good.
    I really think you are letting your pro-gay agenda lead you astray. Everybody is not going to bend over backwards for your agenda or love you. That is just life--gay, straight, or other. Everybody is imperfect. If I were into the gay agenda though, I would be damned appreciative of someone spending millions of dollars they could have pocketed to fight HIV/AIDS whether they showed up to the Pride parade or not.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Well, I'm no Biblical scholar, so I Googled earlier. There are six mentions of suicide in the Bible, by which I mean six names are provided. I'd like to see any attributed commentary on the Bible's view of suicide.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    A "real" parent suffering "real" grief about something "so terrible" WOULDN'T be able to issue press releases. Period.......................
    Yeah man, because religious people ain't really people, they are emotionless robots sent here from a planet in another galaxy. They can't feel grief.

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