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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Thank you, lizzie.. you still have to cook and clean and go to work.. and look after the children.
    Yes, and to fail to do so, can have devastating consequences of its own. I know a woman who lost her teenage child about 20 years ago. She was so devastated, and could not move past the loss to keep on living, and ended up totally dependent and non-functional in a nursing home, with dementia to the point of complete withdrawal.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And what you learn as a grief counselor is that just about any response is "valid."

    What remains so sad to me is somebody who's clearly very young and immature sitting in judgment in such a cruel and callous way.
    It's remarkable that some would suggest a pattern of behavior as to how others should grieve for their loss. We all grieve in our own way. There is no correct procedure.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, and to fail to do so, can have devastating consequences of its own. I know a woman who lost her teenage child about 20 years ago. She was so devastated, and could not move past the loss to keep on living, and ended up totally dependent and non-functional in a nursing home, with dementia to the point of complete withdrawal.
    I lost my youngest brother to suicide in the summer of 2010.. I absolutely adored and admired him ...and he was a wonderful friend to me. I never saw it coming.. yet in retrospect he did give me hints.

    Its been very difficult.. I still hear his voice speaking my name. He was my hip baby since I was 13 years older.

    And I don't know why..

    My life was richer for him..

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Light bill has to be paid, pets have to be fed.... And sometimes the daily victory is just getting dressed and doing that.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Light bill has to be paid, pets have to be fed.... And sometimes the daily victory is just getting dressed and doing that.
    Yeah.. and you owe it to the people who love you..

    I am committed to being happy and participating. One of my sons called yesterday He's in SF and having a fine time as a best man for his best friend.. The grandaughters are dressed in pale organdies... You just have to do it.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I lost my youngest brother to suicide in the summer of 2010.. I absolutely adored and admired him ...and he was a wonderful friend to me. I never saw it coming.. yet in retrospect he did give me hints.Its been very difficult.. I still hear his voice speaking my name. He was my hip baby since I was 13 years older.

    And I don't know why..

    My life was richer for him..
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    I have been on both sides of the aisle. I've had a tremendous loss of three people in my life to suicide, and I've been to the point that I didn't want to live anymore. Fortunately, I was eventually able to resolve my issues which were overtaking my life and happiness. I can tell you with a fair amount of certainty, that your brother probably didn't understand why, nor want to hurt you or the other people who loved him. When you are in that state of mind, perceptions are skewed, and your ability to relate normally to those around you is all but gone. It's a state of mind that I can only call a living hell, and you can't see that there is light at the end of the tunnel. People who have this type of depression appear to be extremely sensitive, and are overwhelmed by the world of emotions. It feels like something that has no answer, and like it will never end, when your mind is there.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Pastor Warren has spoken of his son Matthew's great sensitivity. There are some too gentle to live among wolves, sigh, and from what little I've read so far, Matthew struggled with his mental health for many, many years.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I lost my youngest brother to suicide in the summer of 2010.. I absolutely adored and admired him ...and he was a wonderful friend to me. I never saw it coming.. yet in retrospect he did give me hints.

    Its been very difficult.. I still hear his voice speaking my name. He was my hip baby since I was 13 years older.

    And I don't know why..

    My life was richer for him..
    Another real tragedy, Sharon, and I am so genuinely sorry for your loss.

    In retrospect we can see these 'hints' but all of us at one time or another express some dissatisfaction with the way our lives are going. Only when the worst occurs do we look at it differently but often this is only thinking of how you might have responded differently, something that might have been said or done, in order that this might never have happened. You are thus blaming yourself to some degree, and we both know you can't and shouldn't do that.

    Depression is an illness and we are not trained on how to diagnose it or treat it but we do know that there is a level of greater awareness happening of this disease and perhaps earlier recognition and better treatment is on the way. Meanwhile we all suffer from it, in one way or another.

    I get the feeling, and i certainly don't know, that this young man, Mathew Warren, shot himself in the head because that was the source of his pain and hurt, and that was the only way he could relieve it. It's something few of us will ever understand.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What does the Bible say about suicide?
    It's against it.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    As for telling lies, people may just not know and I do not consider it deception unless it is done intentionally.
    So it is just completely by accident they speak of a book they have not read?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    As for Warren, I know little of his preachings as I have only seen him on interview shows. IIRC, he gave or is giving away all the $$$$ from his books to charity, particularly those helping in the third world. He just never struck me as a fire and brimstone kind of guy but I could be wrong.
    He was probably a bit more reasonable than some of the extremes, but that doesn't mean he was compassionate or caring towards others. There is a difference between being better than a really big asshole and being good.

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