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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    He's not a fire-and-brimstone preacher. Here he is discussing that attraction is not a sin with a most odious talking-head:

    It doesn't matter how nicely you say that gay people are inferior or how nicely you compare same-sex relationships to adultery, you're still saying the same thing,

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And it doesn't take one to know that sleeping pills are less deadly than a bullet in the brain.
    Suicide by sleeping pills causes the exact same end as a bullet in the brain......

    **Logic 101**

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    Time to ban sleeping pills.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Suicide by sleeping pills causes the exact same end as a bullet in the brain......

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    nahh. Sleeping pills usually do not make the floors and walls all bloody in the end.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    nahh. Sleeping pills usually do not make the floors and walls all bloody in the end.
    Death is death, no matter how you slice it.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    nahh. Sleeping pills usually do not make the floors and walls all bloody in the end.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It doesn't matter how nicely you say that gay people are inferior or how nicely you compare same-sex relationships to adultery, you're still saying the same thing,
    yeah I missed the part about him call gays inferior. Where exactly is that in the clip again?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I think you're missing my point: "Stoicism" is the abnormal response to such a situation and I have very rarely seen it. It is more normal to question one's "god"................................Or age overnight, or tear one's shirt off.........................
    I have had two such losses.. but you have to go on.. and there are others who depend on you.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I think you're missing my point: "Stoicism" is the abnormal response to such a situation and I have very rarely seen it. It is more normal to question one's "god"................................Or age overnight, or tear one's shirt off.........................
    Abnormal to you- not abnormal to everyone. Stoicism has existed formally since the Hellenistic period, as a philosophy. Much of that line of thought is normal to some people. Like every other response to grief, being stoic can cause problems of its own, but it's certainly not an abnormal response.

    When a person who is a part of our life dies, understanding the uniqueness of this loss can guide us in finding the support we will need and to recognize when help should come from outside family or friends.

    When someone under our care or someone we'd like to help experiences a loss, this understanding is essential. Thus we can guard against a temptation to compare or to judge their grief responses to our own. The awareness of those factors that affect the manner, intensity and duration of grief, should enable us to guide the grieving person in seeking those forms of support suggested by the nature of their loss and the unique way it affects them.
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    The human brain does not limit us to what we can use this for. Society tries to limit us (i.e. you must be miserable when bad things happen to you). The fact is that you don’t have to be…the brain allows a person to take a more calm approach to something if a person knows how to use their brain this way. Anytime we lose anything that we want there is grief (sadness). RLT does not believe that grieving takes any specific amount of time or that you must go through certain stages. When a person knows how to counsel themself rationally there is often a better outcome with respect to how much misery a person has to go through. Being appreciative about what we have or had because there are no guarantees. This is often where people go wrong. When a person does not get what they think they have coming to them they damn the world and themselves.

    The advantages of acting more calmly to our practical problems has more advantages no matter what the issue is. You will feel better (not miserable), because you feel better you are in a better position to make rational decisions and reach your goals. This does not mean you have to accept what has happened but rather if you respond more calmly to your situation then you are in a much better position to do something about it.


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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    And what you learn as a grief counselor is that just about any response is "valid."

    What remains so sad to me is somebody who's clearly very young and immature sitting in judgment in such a cruel and callous way.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Abnormal to you- not abnormal to everyone. Stoicism has existed formally since the Hellenistic period, as a philosophy. Much of that line of thought is normal to some people. Like every other response to grief, being stoic can cause problems of its own, but it's certainly not an abnormal response.
    Thank you, lizzie.. you still have to cook and clean and go to work.. and look after the children.

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