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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    While it is true that you can't stop at determined person from commiting suicide you can save many by limiting availability of guns.


    Why else would this be true?
    Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Gun prevalence and suicide rank by state
    And alcohol....leads to more suicides than firearms.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

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    Suicides are recounted in the Bible without condemnation. That belief otherwise is a persistent inferred belief based upon the Thou shall not Kill Commandment in the same way the rapture is not supported in the Bible but persists in many people's thinking.
    So you are saying all the christians who speak out against it based on the bible are liars? Not that i can disagree with the idea that christians often speak of things they know nothing about, but they do speak against it.
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    My question for you is do you have sources saying Warren took all these positions you seem to think he has or are you just stereotyping him based upon his Evangelical alignment? He is not necessarily a conventional pastor from what little I know of him.
    As for the gay thing, yes he has taken up the fight against gays. He has supported many anti-gay causes including prop-8. Oh, and in casting sucide in a negative light we could go to his twitter page where he said “Killing time is suicide. Your time IS your life. "Teach us to number our days" Psalm 90:12.” That would certainly cast suicide in a negative light. But why should anyone take his tweets seriously.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So you are saying all the christians who speak out against it based on the bible are liars? Not that i can disagree with the idea that christians often speak of things they know nothing about, but they do speak against it.
    I am saying the Bible does not expressly condemn suicide despite the opportunity to do so with suicides being recounted in the Bible. "Liars" is your word not mine.

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    As for the gay thing, yes he has taken up the fight against gays. He has supported many anti-gay causes including prop-8. Oh, and in casting sucide in a negative light we could go to his twitter page where he said “Killing time is suicide. Your time IS your life. "Teach us to number our days" Psalm 90:12.” That would certainly cast suicide in a negative light. But why should anyone take his tweets seriously.
    I think you are stretching with that interpretation of his tweet you cite. He is a motivational writer/speaker too and sounds to me like he is trying to, you know, motivate people with that one.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I am saying the Bible does not expressly condemn suicide despite the opportunity to do so with suicides being recounted in the Bible. "Liars" is your word not mine.
    So you are being polite by not calling them liars. that is cool, but it still would be making stuff up if you were correct. Also, the bible does take a very negative view on throwing god's greatest gift back in the creator's face. yes, it does also refer to killing people as a sin. I am just saying it is quite contradictory to take a demonizing view of suicide and then to be compassionate after the act is done. For those who really care you might want to be compassionate about it before the act. It is one of those things. After a person is dead it is too late for any of that to ease their suffering. Maybe Rick will use his position to start a good discussion about the way we treat the depressed. Only the future will tell that, but it does show a lack of personal empathy and compassion that it would take such a hard hit5 from a clue by four to bring an obvious point to his attention.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I think you are stretching with that interpretation of his tweet you cite. He is a motivational writer/speaker too and sounds to me like he is trying to, you know, motivate people with that one.
    yes, and he portrays suicide in a negative light with that quote from the bible which also portrays suicide in a negative light which you claim is not biblical. 2 birds one stone. Perhaps you are telling us that suicide was meant in a positive tone in that quote and that we should waste out time and our lives, and that teaching us to number our days was said sarcastically because we should just let it go like suicide. Is that what you are telling us? If that is not what you are trying to say then my point stands.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It is sad that the "best health care available" did not include keeping a gun away from him. He would be alive to day if they just did that one thing.

    That is hardly certain. Many people commit suicide by other means.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So you are being polite by not calling them liars. that is cool, but it still would be making stuff up if you were correct. Also, the bible does take a very negative view on throwing god's greatest gift back in the creator's face. yes, it does also refer to killing people as a sin. I am just saying it is quite contradictory to take a demonizing view of suicide and then to be compassionate after the act is done. For those who really care you might want to be compassionate about it before the act. It is one of those things. After a person is dead it is too late for any of that to ease their suffering. Maybe Rick will use his position to start a good discussion about the way we treat the depressed. Only the future will tell that, but it does show a lack of personal empathy and compassion that it would take such a hard hit5 from a clue by four to bring an obvious point to his attention.




    yes, and he portrays suicide in a negative light with that quote from the bible which also portrays suicide in a negative light which you claim is not biblical. 2 birds one stone. Perhaps you are telling us that suicide was meant in a positive tone in that quote and that we should waste out time and our lives, and that teaching us to number our days was said sarcastically because we should just let it go like suicide. Is that what you are telling us? If that is not what you are trying to say then my point stands.
    What does the Bible say about suicide?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So you are being polite by not calling them liars. that is cool, but it still would be making stuff up if you were correct. Also, the bible does take a very negative view on throwing god's greatest gift back in the creator's face. yes, it does also refer to killing people as a sin. I am just saying it is quite contradictory to take a demonizing view of suicide and then to be compassionate after the act is done. For those who really care you might want to be compassionate about it before the act. It is one of those things. After a person is dead it is too late for any of that to ease their suffering. Maybe Rick will use his position to start a good discussion about the way we treat the depressed. Only the future will tell that, but it does show a lack of personal empathy and compassion that it would take such a hard hit5 from a clue by four to bring an obvious point to his attention.




    yes, and he portrays suicide in a negative light with that quote from the bible which also portrays suicide in a negative light which you claim is not biblical. 2 birds one stone. Perhaps you are telling us that suicide was meant in a positive tone in that quote and that we should waste out time and our lives, and that teaching us to number our days was said sarcastically because we should just let it go like suicide. Is that what you are telling us? If that is not what you are trying to say then my point stands.

    As for telling lies, people may just not know and I do not consider it deception unless it is done intentionally. As for Warren, I know little of his preachings as I have only seen him on interview shows. IIRC, he gave or is giving away all the $$$$ from his books to charity, particularly those helping in the third world. He just never struck me as a fire and brimstone kind of guy but I could be wrong.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    He's not a fire-and-brimstone preacher. Here he is discussing that attraction is not a sin with a most odious talking-head:


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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So you are saying all the christians who speak out against it based on the bible are liars? Not that i can disagree with the idea that christians often speak of things they know nothing about, but they do speak against it.


    As for the gay thing, yes he has taken up the fight against gays. He has supported many anti-gay causes including prop-8. Oh, and in casting sucide in a negative light we could go to his twitter page where he said “Killing time is suicide. Your time IS your life. "Teach us to number our days" Psalm 90:12.” That would certainly cast suicide in a negative light. But why should anyone take his tweets seriously.
    1) Psalm 90:12 says, " Teach us to number our days
    so that we may truly live and achieve wisdom." another translation says, "Teach us to use wisely, all the time we have". another translation says " Teach us to realize how short our lives are.
    Then our hearts will become wise." another translation says "Teach us to use wisely, all the time we have". (reading all of Psalm 90 in context, in a translation that numbers the lines differently), " Oh! Teach us to live well!
    Teach us to live wisely and well!
    Come back, God—how long do we have to wait?—
    and treat your servants with kindness for a change.
    Surprise us with love at daybreak;
    then we’ll skip and dance all the day long.
    Make up for the bad times with some good times;
    we’ve seen enough evil to last a lifetime.
    Let your servants see what you’re best at—
    the ways you rule and bless your children.
    And let the loveliness of our Lord, our God, rest on us,
    confirming the work that we do.
    Oh, yes. Affirm the work that we do!" __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ 2) Psalm 90 is absolutely not related to suicide in any way. Taking one line out of context to pretend otherwise, is as deliberately false as the preacher who didn't like the trend of hairstyles, who quoted, instead of "Let he who is on the mountain top, not come off", as "Let he who is on the mountain, ....TOP KNOT COME OFF!!!" , __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ 2) That was Moses speaking to God, neither God speaking to Moses nor God speaking through Moses. Psalm 90 is a prayer, from Moses to God. When we pray to God, God isn't telling us what to say, even when it's a prophet who's praying to God. God listens patiently when we pray to Him, He doesn't put words in our mouths when we talk to Him, even (especially) when it's someone specially assigned by God to speak for Him (a prophet). Certain prayers are included in the Bible because they are an excellent example of how to talk to God. Those prayers are not commands to humans, they are requests to God. Humans are certainly not commanded to obey comments that are not even directed at a human.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Let me tell you what it's like to grow up in an extremely religious household and realixzing at the age of 5 that you didn't believe in god and then covering up by trying to act religious because you can't stand letting your parents down. Faking it. Bored and faking it. Ashamed really.

    It's enough to make you suicidal. I barely missed. I ran away instead.

    This is information, not a position on anything. I can only suspect and surmise what the issue was. I don't KNOW anything.

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