Page 11 of 22 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 219

Thread: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

  1. #101
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,408

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    You are not a soothsayer.
    And it doesn't take one to know that sleeping pills are less deadly than a bullet in the brain.

  2. #102
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,953

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    What a shame that some are so eager to rush to judgment and to promote a political agenda out of this. It's not just the anti-gun people; there's an open letter at Daily Kos expressing the hope that Rick Warren will now use his personal tragedy to stop making "hateful" remarks to the LGBT community. Daily Kos: My Prayer for Rick Warren upon the suicide of his son, Matthew

  3. #103
    Sage
    chromium's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    A2
    Last Seen
    06-05-17 @ 10:53 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    16,968

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Other methods like pills are often unsuccessful so my statement still stands. He would most likely be alive today if not for that gun.
    Yes and are you going to cure his depression then? You're like one of those doctors who care sooo much about keeping someone technically alive and not at all about the underlying problem that would make the patient want to end his life in the first place. If he had taken a bunch of pills and survived, that would still suck terribly for all involved and done nothing to stop the suicidal thoughts.

  4. #104
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,953

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And it doesn't take one to know that sleeping pills are less deadly than a bullet in the brain.
    Matthew Warren suffered from lifelong depression, and he had decided to end it. A bullet in the brain is a most reliable method, but there are others, including carbon monoxide, which was the method of choice for one of my male friends. The point is that you're arguing here about the method when what seems clear was that this young man had decided to kill himself.

  5. #105
    A Man Without A Country
    Mr. Invisible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 05:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,961
    Blog Entries
    71

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The Southern California church headed by popular evangelical Pastor Rick Warren says his 27-year-old son has committed suicide.

    Warren's Saddleback Valley Community Church said in a statement that Matthew Warren had struggled with mental illness and deep depression throughout his life.

    "Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," the statement said.

    "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life."

    Read more: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide | Fox News
    Damn. Sorry to hear this.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

  6. #106
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,408

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Matthew Warren suffered from lifelong depression, and he had decided to end it. A bullet in the brain is a most reliable method, but there are others, including carbon monoxide, which was the method of choice for one of my male friends. The point is that you're arguing here about the method when what seems clear was that this young man had decided to kill himself.
    While it is true that you can't stop at determined person from commiting suicide you can save many by limiting availability of guns.

    The nine states that rank lowest in terms of gun prevalence are the very same nine that rank lowest for suicide rates. Similarly, the three states top-ranked for gun prevalence can be found among the four states ranking highest for suicide rates.
    Why else would this be true?
    Harvard School of Public Health HSPH News Gun prevalence and suicide rank by state

  7. #107
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    It's always devastating when someone so young dies with such a potential for life ahead of them and parents losing their children is just wrong. I hope his son is finally at peace since it sounds like he didn't have it when he was live. Yet, even as I say all of this, it's very hard for me to detach Rick Warren, the grieving father, from Rick Warren, the man who contributed to the mentalities that cause many gay youth to despair. I'm not sure what to do with that.

  8. #108
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    The darkside of the moon
    Last Seen
    05-24-14 @ 05:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,905
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What a shame that some are so eager to rush to judgment and to promote a political agenda out of this. It's not just the anti-gun people; there's an open letter at Daily Kos expressing the hope that Rick Warren will now use his personal tragedy to stop making "hateful" remarks to the LGBT community. Daily Kos: My Prayer for Rick Warren upon the suicide of his son, Matthew
    Whether he starts recognizing the effects his actions have of promoting the depression of GLBTs and their happiness in this world will be recognized by him remains to be seen. I personally wonder how an evangelical comes to terms with the fact his son committed a pretty powerful sin which will prevent his ascension into heaven according to their beliefs. The demonization of people with suicidal thoughts as potential sinners cannot help the situation when often those people cannot control those impulses and feelings. I imagine they are only trying to help by scaring a person away from an easy out, and considering one of his son's statements about ending the hell of his life so he can just go to heaven I guess you don't want to give them any excuses, but telling someone who feels broken that they are broken and damned for it doesn't help the situation as far as I can see.

    Don't get me wrong, i actually do feel bad for him because it has to be hard to watch year after year with your child in so much pain they want to die, and having nothing that can stop it. It sounds like he really did try to find something to help and there was just nothing. I doubt his faith's hatred of suicide pushed the kid over the edge, but I also doubt it made his time any less painful.

  9. #109
    Sage
    Fisher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-06-13 @ 02:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    17,002

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Whether he starts recognizing the effects his actions have of promoting the depression of GLBTs and their happiness in this world will be recognized by him remains to be seen. I personally wonder how an evangelical comes to terms with the fact his son committed a pretty powerful sin which will prevent his ascension into heaven according to their beliefs. The demonization of people with suicidal thoughts as potential sinners cannot help the situation when often those people cannot control those impulses and feelings. I imagine they are only trying to help by scaring a person away from an easy out, and considering one of his son's statements about ending the hell of his life so he can just go to heaven I guess you don't want to give them any excuses, but telling someone who feels broken that they are broken and damned for it doesn't help the situation as far as I can see.

    Don't get me wrong, i actually do feel bad for him because it has to be hard to watch year after year with your child in so much pain they want to die, and having nothing that can stop it. It sounds like he really did try to find something to help and there was just nothing. I doubt his faith's hatred of suicide pushed the kid over the edge, but I also doubt it made his time any less painful.

    Suicides are recounted in the Bible without condemnation. That belief otherwise is a persistent inferred belief based upon the Thou shall not Kill Commandment in the same way the rapture is not supported in the Bible but persists in many people's thinking. My question for you is do you have sources saying Warren took all these positions you seem to think he has or are you just stereotyping him based upon his Evangelical alignment? He is not necessarily a conventional pastor from what little I know of him.

  10. #110
    Sage
    BretJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:06 PM
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    6,394

    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Or maybe I can see thru the "man of God"'s act......................
    May I suggest you learn to reconnect the brain/mouth controller prior to leaving middle school. I am sure you will find that you will avoid getting beaten up far better in high school.
    The opposite of hero is not villain, it is "bystander"
    " In doing what we ought we deserve no praise, because it is our duty." -Aurelius Augustine
    "But why do they use them to make Brawndo??!!"

Page 11 of 22 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •