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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Good point. I could see an argument for leaving exceptions for the mother's safety, but other than that how can they justify keeping the 22 week limit? It seems like it will cause a lot of legal problems the way it currently is.
    Clearly this legislation is intended to criminalize all abortions except those saving the life of the pregnant woman. No exceptions are noted for rape or incest.

    From your link:
    2253, as amended, would revise the general and
    late-term abortion statutes, the Woman’s-Right-To-Know Act,
    and the state tax statutes. In addition, the bill would add a
    new statutory provision that would declare the life of each
    human being begins at fertilization, with all state laws to be
    interpreted and construed to protect the rights, privileges, and
    immunities of the unborn child, only subject to the U.S.
    Constitution and the judicial decisions and interpretations by
    the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The bill would provide that nothing in the new provisions
    shall apply to an abortion that is necessary to preserve the
    life
    of the pregnant woman
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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Gametes are not "alive", ....
    Sperm is alive, an unfertilized egg is alive ...therefore gametes are alive.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    You are correct that up to 25 Percent of known pregnancies end in misscarrige. But Chunky Salsa was also correct when he said that
    about 75 pregnancies naturally end in miscarriage.
    About two thirds of fertilized eggs ( zygotes) pass out of the body without implanting or self abort the first week after implanting ...before the woman even knows she is pregnant.
    Thanks Minnie. I appreciate the info, although if you have a source that would be great to understand.
    I don't like to provide incorrect information. It appeared to me that he was just exaggerating in an attempt to bolster his case, which was already wobbling on weak or nonexistent factual legs.

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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Thanks Minnie. I appreciate the info, although if you have a source that would be great to understand.
    I don't like to provide incorrect information. It appeared to me that he was just exaggerating in an attempt to bolster his case, which was already wobbling on weak or nonexistent factual legs.
    Here is one source:

    From an article called The Good Egg which was published by DISCOVER Magazine :

    Although the statistics on the failure rate of human fertilization are not entirely robust, given the biological and ethical delicacy of conducting research in this area, the numbers consistently suggest that, at minimum, two-thirds of all human eggs fertilized during normal conception either fail to implant at the end of the first week or later spontaneously abort.

    Some experts suggest that the numbers are even more dramatic. John Opitz, a professor of pediatrics, human genetics, and obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Utah, told the President’s Council on Bioethics last September that preimplantation embryo loss is “enormous.

    Estimates range all the way from 60 percent to 80 percent of the very earliest stages, cleavage stages, for example, that are lost.” Moreover, an estimated 31 percent of implanted embryos later miscarry, according to a 1988 New England Journal of Medicine study headed by Allen Wilcox of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

    The Good Egg | DiscoverMagazine.com


    Here is another source:



    Which Fertilized Eggs Will Become Healthy Human Fetuses? Researchers Predict With 93% Accuracy
    ScienceDaily (Oct. 3, 2010) — Two-thirds of all human embryos fail to develop successfully. Now, in a new study, researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine have shown that they can predict with 93 percent certainty which fertilized eggs will make it to a critical developmental milestone and which will stall and die. The findings are important to the understanding of the fundamentals of human development at the earliest stages, which have largely remained a mystery despite the attention given to human embryonic stem cell research.
    Which fertilized eggs will become healthy human fetuses? Researchers predict with 93% accuracy
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    1. There are no effective methods of determining when an embryo is fertilized. Affording protections to an embryo that a woman cannot possibly know about creates an impossible burden on her.

    2. Requiring that a woman be inundated with material to convince her not to abort as a requirement to do so is coercive and cruel.

    3. Preventing qualified professionals from educating kids is unforgivable.

    4. From Roe v Wade, the constitution protects the right to obtain an abortion up to viability, which is between 24 and 28 weeks. State laws cannot infringe on that right.

    5. No one supports sex selective abortions.

    6. A doctor already must inform a woman of potential health risks in order to obtain informed consent. The information must be accurate and not coercive.

    The only changes this bill makes are either immoral, unconstitutional, or redundant.
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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Sperm is alive, an unfertilized egg is alive ...therefore gametes are alive.
    They are biological. "Alive" is less a less definite term.
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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    1. There are no effective methods of determining when an embryo is fertilized. Affording protections to an embryo that a woman cannot possibly know about creates an impossible burden on her.

    2. Requiring that a woman be inundated with material to convince her not to abort as a requirement to do so is coercive and cruel.

    3. Preventing qualified professionals from educating kids is unforgivable.

    4. From Roe v Wade, the constitution protects the right to obtain an abortion up to viability, which is between 24 and 28 weeks. State laws cannot infringe on that right.

    5. No one supports sex selective abortions.

    6. A doctor already must inform a woman of potential health risks in order to obtain informed consent. The information must be accurate and not coercive.

    The only changes this bill makes are either immoral, unconstitutional, or redundant.

    1. What are you talking about? Undue burdens?
    2. She's already been coerced to believe an abortion is a valuable option. What's wrong with some truthful input?
    3. The law protects her right to obtain an abortion, not the constitution.
    4. Plenty of people support sex selective abortions.
    5. eh...

    What parts are immoral or unconstitutional? Respecting life is both moral and constitutional.

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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Kansas, lulz.
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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    I see this as an over reaction by the pro abortion people. Something needs to be done about all these children being killed. I understand there are those who are going to cling to the 14th amendment, but things have changed since it was written and we as a society have to change with it. Look people, nobody is looking to take away abortion. We just need to look at measures to keep our kids safe.

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    Re: Kansas set to enact life-starts-"at fertilization" abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Clearly this legislation is intended to criminalize all abortions except those saving the life of the pregnant woman. No exceptions are noted for rape or incest.

    From your link:
    2253, as amended, would revise the general and only subject to the U.S. only subject to the U.S.
    Constitution and the judicial decisions and interpretations by
    the U.S. Supreme Court.
    Constitution and the judicial decisions and interpretations by
    the U.S. Supreme Court.
    late-term abortion statutes, the Woman’s-Right-To-Know Act,
    and the state tax statutes. In addition, the bill would add a
    new statutory provision that would declare the life of each
    human being begins at fertilization, with all state laws to be
    interpreted and construed to protect the rights, privileges, and
    immunities of the unborn child, only subject to the U.S.
    Constitution and the judicial decisions and interpretations by
    the U.S. Supreme Court.


    The bill would provide that nothing in the new provisions
    shall apply to an abortion that is necessary to preserve the
    life
    of the pregnant woman
    .
    Nobody is taking away abortion. It is very clearly stated that the state still recognizes Consitutional law on this matter. Your claim that this will criminalize abortion belongs in Conspiracies.

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