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Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

This seems to fit here, but not worth a new thread (or maybe it is)

A rape victim who was arrested after reporting her attack to the Tampa police can sue the prison employee who refused to allow her access to a contraception pill due to religious beliefs, a federal court has ruled.

The victim, who is only identified as R.W. in court records, visited Tampa’s Rape Crisis Center on Jan. 27, 2007 where a "rape kit” procedure was performed and she was given two contraception pills. The doctor instructed her to take one pill immediately and the second one 12 hours later.

R.W. then reported her rape to Tampa police and was arrested after it was discovered she was wanted for failure to appear and failure to pay restitution on a previous charge.

When R.W. requested her second contraception pill the next morning, Hillsborough County Jail employee Michele Spinelli refused on religious grounds.

Court: Rape victim can sue after being arrested and denied contraception | The Raw Story
 
Here is the deal for people who have no clue how pregnancy or the body works. By the time the guy knows she is pregnant the plan B pill doesn't work. You are talking about 5 days from intercourse for it to have effect. By the time you realize you are late and get to the doctor for a real test you pretty much are out of time on Plan B. Plan B is supposed to be taken as a precaution after unprotected sex if you are close to that time of month when you could become pregnant. According to the function of the drug it delays ovulation to the point to which the sperm can no longer fertilize the egg. The pill doesn't create an abortion despite the claims of the crazy right.

Don't take my word on it, go learn for yourself about it instead of spouting the paranoid nonsense that comes from Akin type of stupid. The Morning-After Pill - Emergency Contraception - Cost & Info

Also, we already have laws regarding giving someone medication without their knowledge or consent. Yes, it is a felony to do so. Of course, if guys are terribly worried about getting a girl pregnant they can go the much cheaper and easier route and get a damned condom. With the pill costing between 10 and 70 dollars per dose and not protecting against STDs a condom is a far better solution than trying to slip her something afterwards.

Please, educate yourself because you look pretty ignorant and paranoid when you spout stuff that doesn't even make sense.

So we are saying that teens, who for the most part cannot legally consent to sex (particularly with an adult) or to many other things, are able to consent to understanding everything they are told from a random pharmacist, or worse a pamphlet they don't even have to read about the drug they are using? Yeah, sounds reasonable to me.:roll:
 
So we are saying that teens, who for the most part cannot legally consent to sex (particularly with an adult) or to many other things, are able to consent to understanding everything they are told from a random pharmacist, or worse a pamphlet they don't even have to read about the drug they are using? Yeah, sounds reasonable to me.:roll:

So what is your response to your teenage daughter confessing to giving it up to some modern day sleazebag ?.............Jesus loves little babies ?....................
 
So we are saying that teens, who for the most part cannot legally consent to sex (particularly with an adult) or to many other things, are able to consent to understanding everything they are told from a random pharmacist, or worse a pamphlet they don't even have to read about the drug they are using? Yeah, sounds reasonable to me.:roll:
i see your point
that is much worse than the young woman giving birth to a child she doesn't want
 
Reading some on this, a real concern is that the MAP may convince that condoms are not that important. MAPs don't do one iota to prevent STDs.
 
So what is your response to your teenage daughter confessing to giving it up to some modern day sleazebag ?.............Jesus loves little babies ?....................

"Did you use protection? Are you on birth control? Lets get you some Plan B then take you to the doctor to get you tested and put on birth control. Hopefully you aren't like me and limited in what you can use." This would be followed by many discussions about sex, safe sex, relationships, preventing pregnancy responsibly, facts, etc.

Oh, did you assume that I am against Plan B altogether just because I am against allowing teens unlimited access to it?
 
I don't even know what DXM is.

nearly every "cough" medicine you purchase has DXM in it. It stands for dextromethorphan hydrobromide. From what i know it does not have any actual curative value. It is a powerful dissasociative that makes you feel more comfortable at low doses. At higher doses the stuff is probably one of the more powerful psychoactive drugs around. It has effects similar to ketamine and PCP though it is potentially much safer due to the way tit works.

IF benedryl is harmful, at least the kids took it with my permission and I probably bought it for them.

Benedryl, or dyphenhydromine hydrochloride, is a common ingredient in allergy medications, OTC sleeping pills, and I do believe it is also used for motion sickness medications which are also OTC. It will actually cause visual hallucinations at fairly minimal doses. From what i have seen the effects start around 3-5 times the recommended dosage.
Somehow letting 14 and 15 year old girls who supposedly are minors and under their parents control, responsibility walk into a drug store and buy the morning after pill with out the knowledge of those who are suppose to take care of them, it just don't seem right.

The morning after pill is not being abused for the sake of entertainment. Also, if you are really worried about your child doing this get them some regular Birth control. The only people who would abuse these things are those whos parents keep them deliberately ignorant so they seek out stupid solutions. You do not need the morning after pill if you already are on BC and using it properly. parents who are truly worried about these things could easily bring their daughters in to be presented with some actual information instead of just being silent about it and hoping their teen gets the right information from their stupid friends, or some comic book, or whatever they hope will educate their kids for them.
Of course having sex that young doesn't seem right to me, although I assume it is perfectly alright with you. After all they have the morning after pill.

things happen and kids have sex. One of the reasons many kids do things is because it is taboo. Not telling them about things does not prevent them from doing it. The only thing it does is prevbent them from using any information in making their choices, and it leads to them keeping everything a secret from their parents until it is too late. I would personally rather my daughter delayed ovulation for a few days to prevent pregnancy than to have to deal with a pregnancy. It is one thing to have sex and deal with the emotional crap that comes from teenage love. It is another thing to be saddled with a child when you are a teen. It is still another realm of stupid to hope your kids don't have sex. That is unless your kid is really ugly.
 
i see your point
that is much worse than the young woman giving birth to a child she doesn't want

It could considering both could happen. If a teen starts to rely on Plan B as primary birth control, it is more than possible that she can't afford it one time when she needs it, after having sex, and ends up pregnant.
 
So we are saying that teens, who for the most part cannot legally consent to sex (particularly with an adult) or to many other things, are able to consent to understanding everything they are told from a random pharmacist, or worse a pamphlet they don't even have to read about the drug they are using? Yeah, sounds reasonable to me.:roll:

Yes, many teens are able to understand these things. For the ones that can information is key. Purposefully stupifying them is not going to stop them from figuring out how to stick tab A into slot B. Most dimwitted animals can figure that one out without instruction. Not being able to consent does not mean you are incapable of understanding anything. If a kid is that stupid it probably comes from the reality their parents helped out with making them that way. Stupid id the worst protection.
 
"Did you use protection? Are you on birth control? Lets get you some Plan B then take you to the doctor to get you tested and put on birth control. Hopefully you aren't like me and limited in what you can use." This would be followed by many discussions about sex, safe sex, relationships, preventing pregnancy responsibly, facts, etc.

Oh, did you assume that I am against Plan B altogether just because I am against allowing teens unlimited access to it?

Because the position plays into the hands of Conservatives and they are the enemy.........................
 
Yes, many teens are able to understand these things. For the ones that can information is key. Purposefully stupifying them is not going to stop them from figuring out how to stick tab A into slot B. Most dimwitted animals can figure that one out without instruction. Not being able to consent does not mean you are incapable of understanding anything. If a kid is that stupid it probably comes from the reality their parents helped out with making them that way. Stupid id the worst protection.

Most aren't. Many adults don't really understand that they shouldn't be using Plan B as primary birth control and they still do it.

I'm not suggesting "stupifying" them, but rather educating them. Forcing them to ask an adult to get the Plan B for them so there is a bigger chance of them getting information about it rather than allowing them easy access. If it is really allowed OTC, then there is no one required to tell them any side effects of it, at all.

Information is the best protection. This is not the way to spread information about the best methods of protecting from unintended pregnancies.
 
Reading some on this, a real concern is that the MAP may convince that condoms are not that important. MAPs don't do one iota to prevent STDs.

Again, this runs into ignorance promoted by society. When you hide things from people it is only natural that they will make mistakes because they do not have proper information. People will still make mistakes with the right information, but those mistakes will be on their shoulders. There is no reason to exacerbate the problem by making people who would not make the mistake too ignorant to make the proper decision.
 
Because the position plays into the hands of Conservatives and they are the enemy.........................

I'm only slightly conservative. Maybe reading some of my earlier posts on this thread of this subject may help before making blanket assumptions.

I am all about comprehensive sex education and parents teaching their children in depth about sex at appropriate ages, just as my mother did for me and my siblings. I am completely for birth control and even Plan B, just not allowing unlimited access to them by teens. There needs to be a chance for an adult to step in and having a conversation about having responsible sex.
 
I've heard of patients calling and asking if they could take Plan B prior to a weekend of partying assuming that they could not get pregnant within a 3 day period. The pharmacist had to explain to her that it is used as emergency contraception after the fact and should not be used prior to unprotected sex as a form of primary birth control. I've heard of some female patients ask if it would make their breasts grow larger or regulate their period.

Even if it is made OTC for everyone I still think it needs to be behind the pharmacy counter with conditions for safe use and counselling being provided before someone can purchase it. I also think that the parent/guardian should have to sign off on it as well if the girl is a minor and that it should not be dispensed to men.
 
Most aren't. Many adults don't really understand that they shouldn't be using Plan B as primary birth control and they still do it.

I'm not suggesting "stupifying" them, but rather educating them. Forcing them to ask an adult to get the Plan B for them so there is a bigger chance of them getting information about it rather than allowing them easy access. If it is really allowed OTC, then there is no one required to tell them any side effects of it, at all.

Information is the best protection. This is not the way to spread information about the best methods of protecting from unintended pregnancies.

You just said many adults cannot make the proper choice, and then that you expect adults to make the right choice. you cannot have it both ways. BTW yes children can understand those things. keeping the information from them because you don't like the idea they have sex makes sure that the ones who can understand it are not able to make a decision based on the information you kept from them. You have wasted nothing by giving the information to them, but you will enable some to make the right choice.

Oh, and the side effects are listed on the product just like many other OTC medications.
 
I'm only slightly conservative. Maybe reading some of my earlier posts on this thread of this subject may help before making blanket assumptions.

I am all about comprehensive sex education and parents teaching their children in depth about sex at appropriate ages, just as my mother did for me and my siblings. I am completely for birth control and even Plan B, just not allowing unlimited access to them by teens. There needs to be a chance for an adult to step in and having a conversation about having responsible sex.

yeah, there is a chance, it is called parenting. Unfortunately it is hard to talk to your kids about sex so many parents chose not to. There still should be nothing stopping them from going to their kids and explaining it to them ASAP.
 
You just said many adults cannot make the proper choice, and then that you expect adults to make the right choice. you cannot have it both ways. BTW yes children can understand those things. keeping the information from them because you don't like the idea they have sex makes sure that the ones who can understand it are not able to make a decision based on the information you kept from them. You have wasted nothing by giving the information to them, but you will enable some to make the right choice.

Oh, and the side effects are listed on the product just like many other OTC medications.

When its for their children they are more likely to actually care about potential side effects than when its for themselves, particularly when the adults misusing it aren't likely to have their own teens, since they are in their twenties.

Most teens don't fully understand, even if they are capable of doing so. Most teens won't even care to actually check it out. And some may figure they will only do it once, then once becomes twice, twice becomes every other week. Laziness does come into play here to at least a degree.

This isn't like other OTCs. Other OTCs generally aren't something that requires a prescription to get a smaller dose just more doses in the package.
 
I'm only slightly conservative. Maybe reading some of my earlier posts on this thread of this subject may help before making blanket assumptions.

I am all about comprehensive sex education and parents teaching their children in depth about sex at appropriate ages, just as my mother did for me and my siblings. I am completely for birth control and even Plan B, just not allowing unlimited access to them by teens. There needs to be a chance for an adult to step in and having a conversation about having responsible sex.

When "children" start having sex, they are the adults in the room................I know that's hard for alot of people to wrap their heads around..........................
 
yeah, there is a chance, it is called parenting. Unfortunately it is hard to talk to your kids about sex so many parents chose not to. There still should be nothing stopping them from going to their kids and explaining it to them ASAP.

Which has what to do with this issue? Nothing is lost by forcing teens to have an adult, preferably a parent, relative, and/or legal guardian/medical professional get them Plan B rather than giving them unlimited access. Nothing that can be proven since you can't prove that Plan B reduces unwanted pregnancies overall.
 
When "children" start having sex, they are the adults in the room................I know that's hard for alot of people to wrap their heads around..........................

No, they aren't adults just because they start having sex. They are still teenagers, emotionally, physically, mentally, even legally.
 
Good evening, HOJ.

Many parents feel that subject should be handled in the home, especially when they learned what was being taught in the schools. They didn't teach "sex education" when I was in high school, but the subject matter was covered in Biology at a very rudimentary level. At any rate, why are there so many teen pregnancies these days? Either the kids aren't paying attention, or their curiosity is being piqued, or something... :thumbdown:

Not sure of your age, but they taught sex ed in my High School and that was almost 40 years ago.

And yes, many parents feel that sex ed should happen in the happen. Many feel they same way about math, science, and geography. They are free to home school their children. They are not free to deny other parents children a complete education because they think the subject is "icky" (or for any other reason)
 
I've heard of patients calling and asking if they could take Plan B prior to a weekend of partying assuming that they could not get pregnant within a 3 day period. The pharmacist had to explain to her that it is used as emergency contraception after the fact and should not be used prior to unprotected sex as a form of primary birth control. I've heard of some female patients ask if it would make their breasts grow larger or regulate their period.

If it delays ovulation it would probably have the same effect as taking it afterwards. Of course, it would seem that you could get 2 months of BC or hundreds of condoms for the cost of one pill. Still, it is a bit to late for regular BC that weekend, but if your plans are to go out and slut it up with people you don't know for a weekend hundreds of condoms is a far better solution.
Even if it is made OTC for everyone I still think it needs to be behind the pharmacy counter with conditions for safe use and counselling being provided before someone can purchase it. I also think that the parent/guardian should have to sign off on it as well if the girl is a minor and that it should not be dispensed to men.

With all the religious idiocy and piss poor information around this pill i don't think a parent forcing their child through at least 9 months of pregnancy while they are in school because of stupid moral beliefs is a decision they should have final authority on. If the potential parent doesn't want to have a kid and knows they are way to young or incapable of handling it i do not care for anyone getting in their way of deciding to use emergency contraception. Since certain religious types would refuse to give it to the kids i don't see them as being interested in the wellbeing of the person seeking it. If adults were reasonable, well educated, and respectful people i would agree. Since they are not, i would rather the kid who has to deal with their own future make the choice for their future.
 
I'm always amused when people are so ideological they give someone a hard time for simply making rational and obvious points.

But good on you, RN.
 
No, they aren't adults just because they start having sex. They are still teenagers, emotionally, physically, mentally, even legally.

From what I've been told, reproduction is THE goal.............just saying......................
 
Psssst: conservatives are whining that it's not working and that the country is wallowing in teen sex (not true, but who am I to question such an enticing meme?) So time to go to Plan B. How's this for a concept: teach kids about sexuality and its consequences! And use professionals.

Wow, what a concept -- education!

Now you are just running into other areas of the discussion that I'm not interested in talking about.
 
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