Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

CanadaJohn said:

:yawn: tea party tea party tea party tea party :yawn:

Wake me up if your mind ever escapes the rut.

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Wake me up when Tea Party Occupied Congress is dissolved.

Bonzai said:

As I used to argue with Shal--------Abortion pill or your daughter bearing the offspring of some dawg she let mount her in a teenaged drunken stupor........................

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OUCH!

It would be interesting to ask Palin and her promiscuous offspring that question.

Here's my take on the issue.

I think this was a bad court decision. I think the FDA and boards have every right to label Plan B as a prescription item for minors. No drug is truly safe. Plan B is a synthetic hormone used to prevent ovulation and isn't an abortion pill. The hormone in it is also used at lower doses as a combination with estrogen (usually) in some prescription birth controls.

When I was a teenager one of my friends illegally obtained Plan B by having an 18 year old friend buy it for her. She shared with me how it messed up her period, made her very very nauseous to the point of vomiting and had put her at home for 2 days. This is a common side effect in adult women and I fear that in pubescent girls or even prepubescent girls would have a higher impact. I think it would be good medical practice to evaluate minors before allowing them to take Plan B (which is the purpose of a prescription). I also think that the parents have a right to know and be notified. I don't think it should be given to minors without a healthcare professional's evaluation and judgement on the issue. I think the patients also need to be counselled.

I do recognize that there is a problem with access to this medication in minors. Because Plan B has a narrow time limit for activity and it's activity is better the sooner you can take it after unprotected sex I think that requiring someone to be seen by a physician/NP/PA and getting a prescription is too much of a barrier. I think that what should be required is that the parents go with the child to the pharmacy and have the pharmacist do the evaluation and have the medication available under the protocol of being counselled and safe use conditions. The parents would be notified of the drug's usage and would have to approve, the barrier to needing to make an appointment with a physician/NP/PA would be removed and conditions of safe use and evaluation would be set in place with the patient being adequately counselled. I also think this would help reduce the possibility for abuse.

AmericanWoman76 said:

just poll everyone on that and spay and neuter everyone who would pick choice #1.

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Well. The societal benefits do outweigh the incredibly slim chances of throwing a monkey wrench into the Second Coming..............

Henrin said:

They are against you educating young people about sexuality and its consequences? I was unaware they were against that.

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Uh, you're free associating. I'm not in that business. But qualified teachers in qualified programs are. But you conservatives don't want kids to know about -- oh dear -- sex! Instead, Bush and his ship of fools tried to enforce abstinence training, proved to be a complete fiasco.

Again, do not let the facts get in the way of your ideological hostility, whatever you do.

head of joaquin said:

Uh, you're free associating. I'm not in that business. But qualified teachers in qualified programs are. But you conservatives don't want kids to know about -- oh dear -- sex! Instead, Bush and his ship of fools tried to enforce abstinence training, proved to be a complete fiasco.

Again, do not let the facts get in the way of your ideological hostility, whatever you do.

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I'm not a conservative, but the majority of them that are against schools teaching sex ed simply believe it is the job of parents, not schools.

Bonzai said:

Well. The societal benefits do outweigh the incredibly slim chances of throwing a monkey wrench into the Second Coming..............

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When Jesus returns, it won't be a new birth as a baby, it will be descending from the sky as a full-grown man. Read your Bible.

AmericanWoman76 said:

When Jesus returns, it won't be a new birth as a baby, it will be descending from the sky as a full-grown man. Read your Bible.

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Oops................lol..................

head of joaquin said:

Uh, you're free associating. I'm not in that business. But qualified teachers in qualified programs are. But you conservatives don't want kids to know about -- oh dear -- sex! Instead, Bush and his ship of fools tried to enforce abstinence training, proved to be a complete fiasco.

Again, do not let the facts get in the way of your ideological hostility, whatever you do.

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Good evening, HOJ.

Many parents feel that subject should be handled in the home, especially when they learned what was being taught in the schools. They didn't teach "sex education" when I was in high school, but the subject matter was covered in Biology at a very rudimentary level. At any rate, why are there so many teen pregnancies these days? Either the kids aren't paying attention, or their curiosity is being piqued, or something... :thumbdown:

Henrin said:

I'm not a conservative, but the majority of them that are against schools teaching sex ed simply believe it is the job of parents, not schools.

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Yeah, that's wrong, as I pointed out. It's rather stupid to bemoan the state of the world where young people engage in sex, and then say, but I don't want to teach them about it.

As to libertarians not being conservatives, don't buy it. The only difference between conservatives and libertarians is libertarians don't want their servants to use the indoor plumbing. Also the former prefer to live in mansions; the former in bunkers.

polgara said:

Good evening, HOJ.

Many parents feel that subject should be handled in the home, especially when they learned what was being taught in the schools. They didn't teach "sex education" when I was in high school, but the subject matter was covered in Biology at a very rudimentary level. At any rate, why are there so many teen pregnancies these days? Either the kids aren't paying attention, or their curiosity is being piqued, or something... :thumbdown:

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Parent can feel what they want. I'm one of them. The issue is if (as Canada did) you bemoan the state of young people engaging in sex, the answer is more education not less.

If you're denying that, I think that's the problem. Either one believes in education as a means to ameliorate social problem (the progressive position), or you don't (the conservative position). If you take the conservative position, they have no business complaining about young people having sex. It's totally natural.

Perotista said:

Perhaps for your kids, but I feel a parent should know what drugs and okay them when the child is a minor. You may be happy with that, I am not.

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Good for you for not being happy. BTW where does it say in our laws your happiness is our responsibility? You have a right to pursue it, but I never saw anything about finding it. Oh, and when you care about things like DXM and benedryl let me know.

tererun said:

Good for you for not being happy. BTW where does it say in our laws your happiness is our responsibility? You have a right to pursue it, but I never saw anything about finding it. Oh, and when you care about things like DXM and benedryl let me know.

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I don't even know what DXM is. IF benedryl is harmful, at least the kids took it with my permission and I probably bought it for them. Somehow letting 14 and 15 year old girls who supposedly are minors and under their parents control, responsibility walk into a drug store and buy the morning after pill with out the knowledge of those who are suppose to take care of them, it just don't seem right.

Of course having sex that young doesn't seem right to me, although I assume it is perfectly alright with you. After all they have the morning after pill.

Lachean said:

The fewer unwanted children and teenage mothers the better.

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Except there is no proof that this action will lead to fewer unwanted children or teenage mothers.

Princeton University states:

"But making ECPs (like Plan B) more easily available has not yet resulted in a decrease in unintended pregnancies in any population, because women do not use EC every time they have sex" (I think this is also from the Plan B website)

Emergency Contraception: Plan B

I am against this. There are so many problems with this and really no benefit to it.

We have young adults who are starting to use Plan B as primary birth control. Teenagers are even more likely to do this. (I personally know someone who used Plan B as her primary form of birth control, couldn't afford it in time and got pregnant.)

Plus, teens are the responsibility of their parents. Their health is their parents' concern til they are out on their own. Plus, parents are more likely to know about possible problems that could come up with conditions a teen may have than the teen themselves, especially when it comes to some of the disorders/diseases that aren't really a big deal except when it comes to adding certain hormones to your body (I have one of those, why I'm limited on what BC I can use). Teens don't think about all these things, parents are more likely to think of these things.

I have no issue with Plan B, nor even with teenagers having sex. I think teens should be encouraged and taught safe sexual practices. Allowing easy access to this pill means that teens, who are notoriously lazy, irresponsible, and/or concerned about disappointing their parents are likely to be prone to use Plan B as primary birth control rather than the emergency birth control it is meant to be.

Evidence of misuse being common of Plan B.

Yahoo! Shine - Women's Lifestyle | Healthy Living and Fashion Blogs
The women who use the morning after pill as everyday contraception | Mail Online

roguenuke said:

I am against this. There are so many problems with this and really no benefit to it.

We have young adults who are starting to use Plan B as primary birth control. Teenagers are even more likely to do this. (I personally know someone who used Plan B as her primary form of birth control, couldn't afford it in time and got pregnant.)

Plus, teens are the responsibility of their parents. Their health is their parents' concern til they are out on their own. Plus, parents are more likely to know about possible problems that could come up with conditions a teen may have than the teen themselves, especially when it comes to some of the disorders/diseases that aren't really a big deal except when it comes to adding certain hormones to your body (I have one of those, why I'm limited on what BC I can use). Teens don't think about all these things, parents are more likely to think of these things.

I have no issue with Plan B, nor even with teenagers having sex. I think teens should be encouraged and taught safe sexual practices. Allowing easy access to this pill means that teens, who are notoriously lazy, irresponsible, and/or concerned about disappointing their parents are likely to be prone to use Plan B as primary birth control rather than the emergency birth control it is meant to be.

Evidence of misuse being common of Plan B.

Yahoo! Shine - Women's Lifestyle | Healthy Living and Fashion Blogs
The women who use the morning after pill as everyday contraception | Mail Online

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and those parents who you want to be able to prohibit access to this morning after solution are always in the position to supply their children with birth control devices to avoid the need for the morning after pill
that they didn't do so, out of choice or ignorance, should not serve to deny the potentially pregnant teen access to the necessary birth control device

Lachean said:

The fewer unwanted children and teenage mothers the better.

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And that is the heart of the matter/ Either you are in favor of teenagers having either unwanted children or abortions or not. I believe this ruling will reduce the already low abortion rate even lower. Safe, legal and RARE. Let's call this settled and move on. This is the 21th Century.

iguanaman said:

And that is the heart of the matter/ Either you are in favor of teenagers having either unwanted children or abortions or not. I believe this ruling will reduce the already low abortion rate even lower. Safe, legal and RARE. Let's call this settled and move on. This is the 21th Century.

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Didn't someone just post data that directly challanged that popular notion?

CanadaJohn said:

I don't know what's right or wrong with this issue, but it sure makes a person feel sad about the depths to which our society has sunk when people are going to court so young teens can get abortion pills.

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The morning after pill prevents ovulation and keeps an egg from being fertilized. If fertilization has already taken place the morning after pill does not keep it from implanting nor does it cause an abortion of an implanted zygote/embryo.

minnie616 said:

The morning after pill prevents ovulation and keeps an egg from being fertilized. If fertilization has already taken place the morning after pill does not keep it from implanting nor does it cause an abortion of an implanted zygote/embryo.

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Facts. They are to conservatives what crucifixes are to vampires.

Nonetheless, watch, they will continue to promote their counerfactual claims. It's all they got.

head of joaquin said:

Yeah, that's wrong, as I pointed out. It's rather stupid to bemoan the state of the world where young people engage in sex, and then say, but I don't want to teach them about it.

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Teaching your children is your responsibility first as a parent. There is nothing wrong with holding to the idea that schools are there to prepare children for a career and the parents are there to prepare them for life.

justabubba said:

and those parents who you want to be able to prohibit access to this morning after solution are always in the position to supply their children with birth control devices to avoid the need for the morning after pill
that they didn't do so, out of choice or ignorance, should not serve to deny the potentially pregnant teen access to the necessary birth control device

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Or the parents didn't feel comfortable talking to their children about sex so were putting it off. Just because a parent doesn't talk to their child about sex before the kid tries it, doesn't mean the parent won't talk to them about sex ever, especially not if they feel there might have been a pregnancy scare that required Plan B. People aren't perfect, they don't fit into perfect little boxes about how they act or how good of parents they are.

Henrin said:

Teaching your children is your responsibility first as a parent. There is nothing wrong with holding to the idea that schools are there to prepare children for a career and the parents are there to prepare them for life.

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Psssst: conservatives are whining that it's not working and that the country is wallowing in teen sex (not true, but who am I to question such an enticing meme?) So time to go to Plan B. How's this for a concept: teach kids about sexuality and its consequences! And use professionals.

Wow, what a concept -- education!

justabubba said:

and those parents who you want to be able to prohibit access to this morning after solution are always in the position to supply their children with birth control devices to avoid the need for the morning after pill
that they didn't do so, out of choice or ignorance, should not serve to deny the potentially pregnant teen access to the necessary birth control device

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Oh, and I'd also like to point out that I am not suggesting that only parents have the ability to give teens access to Plan B. Parents should be informed, but it could be many different adults that are allowed to buy Plan B for a teen, as long as it is an adult. This at least gives a stronger possibility that misuse/abuse of Plan B is identified and gives another, older person the ability to step in and make suggestions to better alternatives than using Plan B as primary BC.

joko104 said:

I have a bad feeling about this one.

My concern is someone else putting it in a woman's food to cause losing a ZEF she wants or to prevent pregnancy to begin with - her not even knowing. People not only can go crazy to try to prevent an abortion, other people also can go crazy trying to terminate someone else's pregnancy.

I'd prefer it be 1.) be behind the counter and 2.) limited to sales to females and 3.) a record kept of anyone who buys it.

There also needs to be INTENSELY harsh laws passed about giving this to someone without the person's knowledge. Some men and some parents totally freak out learning their girlfriend, mistress or daughter is pregnant. I see potential problems. A women likely wouldn't even known why she lost the ZEF thinking it just a miscarriage. In regards to ZEFs, its like selling cyanide pills OTC. Just slip one to any woman and end a pregnancy she wants, but you don't, in the learn stage. Or even routinely without her knowledge to avoid it happening in the first place. There also is the question of what happens if someone takes a lot of them or slips someone a lot of them at the same time.

For those reasons I'm not fond of that ruling. Those all are not only very legitimate health concerns, but also assault concerns.

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Here is the deal for people who have no clue how pregnancy or the body works. By the time the guy knows she is pregnant the plan B pill doesn't work. You are talking about 5 days from intercourse for it to have effect. By the time you realize you are late and get to the doctor for a real test you pretty much are out of time on Plan B. Plan B is supposed to be taken as a precaution after unprotected sex if you are close to that time of month when you could become pregnant. According to the function of the drug it delays ovulation to the point to which the sperm can no longer fertilize the egg. The pill doesn't create an abortion despite the claims of the crazy right.

Don't take my word on it, go learn for yourself about it instead of spouting the paranoid nonsense that comes from Akin type of stupid. The Morning-After Pill - Emergency Contraception - Cost & Info

Also, we already have laws regarding giving someone medication without their knowledge or consent. Yes, it is a felony to do so. Of course, if guys are terribly worried about getting a girl pregnant they can go the much cheaper and easier route and get a damned condom. With the pill costing between 10 and 70 dollars per dose and not protecting against STDs a condom is a far better solution than trying to slip her something afterwards.

Please, educate yourself because you look pretty ignorant and paranoid when you spout stuff that doesn't even make sense.