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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Then he is prosecuted if caught, just like we do with alcohol, or anything else that minors aren't supposed to be involved in when adults take it upon themselves to provide such things to children.

    It does NOT mean that I am trying to withhold this medication from women either. This means that I think it is reckless and irresponsible to have NO minimum age requirement for use of this drug.

    To cover your other post below, whether or not you want to read into it "politics" is up to you. I don't see it that way. I see it as a safety issue and an issue which is contradictory to our age of consent laws. This drug only has ONE purpose.
    "Age of consent" is in and of itself a political decision, not a medical one. You, yourself, should know that, biologically speaking. not all teens mature physically at the same rate. The age of consent is a political convenience to denote one stage of growth from another (regardless of biology) and, in some ways, is a social necessity. But the FDA is not allowed by law to make political decisions. Their responsibility is making medical and human health decisions.


    I don't want my doctor dictating whether my 16 y/o can drive or not unless there's a medical reason to be concerned about them driving, like something the doctor prescribed. Otherwise, whether my 16 y/o can drive or not is between me, my child, and the Dept of Motor Vehicles and has nothing to do with my doctor.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    "Age of consent" is in and of itself a political decision, not a medical one. You, yourself, should know that, biologically speaking. not all teens mature physically at the same rate. The age of consent is a political convenience to denote one stage of growth from another (regardless of biology) and, in some ways, is a social necessity. But the FDA is not allowed by law to make political decisions. Their responsibility is making medical and human health decisions.
    Right, and there is nothing wrong with putting an age limit on ANY medicines because of tendency of misuse or even abuse. Responsibility comes with age. Also, one reason why I think young girls will abuse and misuse this medicine is because you still have to have a prescription for BC. Those girls who are too embarrassed to tell their parents that they're sexually active are not on the pill, so there is a potential for misusing this medicine as a type of "birth control." It is LOADED with hormones which can increase the risks for certain types of cancers.


    I don't want my doctor dictating whether my 16 y/o can drive or not unless there's a medical reason to be concerned about them driving, like something the doctor prescribed. Otherwise, whether my 16 y/o can drive or not is between me, my child, and the Dept of Motor Vehicles and has nothing to do with my doctor.
    This is a terrible analogy. Just TERRIBLE! For one thing, we HAVE minimum age limits on driving. For another thing, driving and taking medicines are two completely different things.

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If parents do not talk to their children *before* they engage in sex, or if they fail to create a trusting relationship with their children, then for all practical purposes, they have left their teens on their own.
    So then basically it is your opinion that if parents are not "perfect" parents, make mistakes with raising their children or don't talk to them enough to please you, that they should be left in the dark as to what their children are doing, and the irresponsible behavior of said children should go on uninhibited? Well, that's interesting.

    My parents certainly were FAR from perfect and didn't really ever have the "talk" with me. That certainly doesn't mean that they didn't care about me though. Although I was a sexually active teen who did not tell her parents, I wish I would have talked with them or someone else I could trust about things and I wish I had been smart enough to actually LISTEN to them.

    That is the thing about teens, a lot of them will NOT talk to their parents about such things, even if a parent is open and inviting and does talk with them. It's a time in life when you are breaking away from your parents. It's only natural that a lot of teens won't share their personal lives with their parents. Not that it's right, but it is part of growing up IMO.

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    From an article titled:Why Obama is wrong about Plan B and why it matters

    The president’s statement (the first part, about safety) is mired in misinformation. Plan B (levonorgestrel), if “not used properly” has no untoward effects. Except failure to prevent a pregnancy if not taken as directed (meaning more than 5 days after the episode of unprotected sex).

    Plan B does not cause cancer.

    Plan B does not cause blood clots.

    Plan B does not cause heart attacks.

    Plan B does not cause abortion.

    Plan B does not affect a fetus in any negative way.

    And finally, Plan B retails for $60 for brand name and $37 for generic. Clearly [not] in the budget for most 10 and 11 year olds. And it would not be next to the bubble gum or batteries.


    Plan B either works, and ovulation is inhibited and or no pregnancy, or it doesn’t work and sadly a 15-year-old is pregnant. And it is sad when it fails to work, because there is NO SCENARIO where a 15-year-old is pregnant and it’s a good thing.

    Obviously the ideal scenario is the 15-year-old telling her parents that she is thinking about becoming sexually active. That for years, around the dinner table, there have been frank and educational discussions about sex, love, lust, and contraception s she feels comfortable discussing the subject with both of her parents. And that said 15-year-old, empowered with this information, goes with her parents to the doctor for the birth control pill (or the depo provera shot) and then makes sure she knows how to put on a condom herself in case her partner does not. She knows if a boy won’t wear a condom then he does not care about her in the way that he should. This girl will probably not need a Plan B because she has an AWESOME Plan A.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So then basically it is your opinion that if parents are not "perfect" parents, make mistakes with raising their children or don't talk to them enough to please you, that they should be left in the dark as to what their children are doing, and the irresponsible behavior of said children should go on uninhibited? Well, that's interesting.

    My parents certainly were FAR from perfect and didn't really ever have the "talk" with me. That certainly doesn't mean that they didn't care about me though. Although I was a sexually active teen who did not tell her parents, I wish I would have talked with them or someone else I could trust about things and I wish I had been smart enough to actually LISTEN to them.

    That is the thing about teens, a lot of them will NOT talk to their parents about such things, even if a parent is open and inviting and does talk with them. It's a time in life when you are breaking away from your parents. It's only natural that a lot of teens won't share their personal lives with their parents. Not that it's right, but it is part of growing up IMO.
    No, it has nothing to do with being perfect. You have to put words in my mouth because you can't find any fault with anything I have actually said
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Here is what you said.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If parents do not talk to their children *before* they engage in sex, or if they fail to create a trusting relationship with their children, then for all practical purposes, they have left their teens on their own.
    Now, I went through the trouble of making a nice, polite and thoughtful response, and this is what I get? If you can't argue the point that YOU made, then just don't bother.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it has nothing to do with being perfect. You have to put words in my mouth because you can't find any fault with anything I have actually said

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So then basically it is your opinion that if parents are not "perfect" parents, make mistakes with raising their children or don't talk to them enough to please you, that they should be left in the dark as to what their children are doing, and the irresponsible behavior of said children should go on uninhibited? Well, that's interesting.

    My parents certainly were FAR from perfect and didn't really ever have the "talk" with me. That certainly doesn't mean that they didn't care about me though. Although I was a sexually active teen who did not tell her parents, I wish I would have talked with them or someone else I could trust about things and I wish I had been smart enough to actually LISTEN to them.

    That is the thing about teens, a lot of them will NOT talk to their parents about such things, even if a parent is open and inviting and does talk with them. It's a time in life when you are breaking away from your parents. It's only natural that a lot of teens won't share their personal lives with their parents. Not that it's right, but it is part of growing up IMO.
    Well we all own life experiences.
    Mine experiences were different than yours.
    My mom and I had open talks.
    I was NOT a sexually active teen.
    My husband is the love of my life and my one and only sexual partner. We have been married over 40 years and raised 4 children.
    I also tried to be vry open with our children and encouraged them be sexually responsible teens and adults.

    We do the very best we can as parents to raise our children to become responsible.
    Sometimes there comes a time when have to TRUST our children.
    We need to be there for them and make sure they know they can come to us in times of need.

    From what you said in your post I think you knew that your parents would be there for you too.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Well we all own life experiences.
    Mine experiences were different than yours.
    My mom and I had open talks.
    I was NOT a sexually active teen.
    My husband is the love of my life and my one and only sexual partner. We have been married over 40 years and raised 4 children.
    I also tried to be vry open with our children and encouraged them be sexually responsible teens and adults.

    We do the very best we can as parents to raise our children to become responsible.
    Sometimes their comes a time when have to TRUST our children.
    We need to be there for them and make sure they know they can come to us in times of need.

    From what you said in your post I think you knew that your parents would be there for you too.
    Thanks for the thoughtful post Minnie!

    All you can do is talk to your children and hope that they will listen to half of what you say. Some people seem to think that if you talk to your children, then all problems will magically be solved, but they don't understand that it just doesn't always work out that way.

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here is what you said.



    Now, I went through the trouble of making a nice, polite and thoughtful response, and this is what I get? If you can't argue the point that YOU made, then just don't bother.
    Here's what you said
    So then basically it is your opinion that if parents are not "perfect" parents, make mistakes with raising their children or don't talk to them enough to please you, that they should be left in the dark as to what their children are doing, and the irresponsible behavior of said children should go on uninhibited? Well, that's interesting.
    I did not say that. There is nothing nice or polite about putting words in someone elses' mouth

    And it wasn't the first you've been rude in this thread, both to me and to others
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Here's what you said


    I did not say that. There is nothing nice or polite about putting words in someone elses' mouth

    And it wasn't the first you've been rude in this thread, both to me and to others
    I haven't been rude. I'm sorry that you can't handle it because you're too sensitive. Perhaps a debate site is just too tough for you?

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