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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If your comment isn't nonsense, ask yourself this. Currently, the morning after pill is a mandated coverage for insurance policies under the regulations under Obamacare. After this court rules that the drug can be provided OTC to young teens, do you honestly believe that HHS is going to change the regulations to remove the morning after pill from the mandate or are you suggesting that adult women will still have to get a prescription but young teens won't?
    The purchase would be reported on the EOB that the parent receives, so a teen wishing to keep this hidden from their parent will not have the insurance company pay for it.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except for a couple of things that are only talked about for those who find out that have issues, which is why we have to get a prescription for birth control from a doctor. One such risk is blood clots. If you have certain blood disorders, that risk can increase a little to significantly depending on which one. Most girls don't know they have those blood disorders, particularly not as teens, because there really aren't any major complications related to them except for reproductive issues, such as heavy periods/cramping, increased risk of blood clots, and increased risk of having a miscarriage if pregnancy occurs. The hormones in birth control, including Plan B, are what cause the increase risk of blood clots.
    You are mistaken Plan B will NOT cause blood clots.

    It is the estrogen in birth control pills that can cause blood clots but there is no estrogen in plan. Please read my link on post
    # 227 of this thread which explains that is why Plan B is very safe.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, the "evidence" of abuse is:

    1) a post on a blog from some anonymous poster on the internet
    2) your anecdote

    Excuse me while I
    There are more than just a couple of personal stories behind this.

    Misconceptions and misuse of contraception lead to high risk among college students - Features - Tufts Daily - Tufts University

    The women who use the morning after pill as everyday contraception | Mail Online

    This is stuff that needs to be looked into prior to giving unlimited access to teenagers who are even more irresponsible. If its found to be legitimately isolated incidents, fine, I'm wrong. But it likely isn't the case. And we really don't know what longterm effects would be of overusing Plan B because they really haven't been studied that much.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm not sure of this, but I suspect that the risk of blood clots results from daily use of BC, not irregular use.
    Plan B does not have estrogen and so it does not cause blood clots.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Another dishonest claim. Quelle surprise!

    HIPAA does not prevent insurance companies from reporting what it has paid for. In fact, insurance companies are required to report this on their EOBs
    And again, your inability to stick to the truth is breathtaking. I did not claim they won't be able to, I said they may not be able to without breaking the provisions of HIPAA. You'll forgive me if I wait to see how it plays out rather than accept your brilliant legal opinion as fact.

    They say that people tend to lash out at others for what they hate in themselves. The way you constantly claim that anyone who doesn't agree with you is dishonest says more about you than me.

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are more than just a couple of personal stories behind this.

    Misconceptions and misuse of contraception lead to high risk among college students - Features - Tufts Daily - Tufts University

    The women who use the morning after pill as everyday contraception | Mail Online

    This is stuff that needs to be looked into prior to giving unlimited access to teenagers who are even more irresponsible. If its found to be legitimately isolated incidents, fine, I'm wrong. But it likely isn't the case. And we really don't know what longterm effects would be of overusing Plan B because they really haven't been studied that much.
    Your first link says nothing about regular use of MAPs, and your 2nd is a rag with no credibility. Please stop wasting time with your nonsense
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I have a bad feeling about this one.

    My concern is someone else putting it in a woman's food to cause losing a ZEF she wants or to prevent pregnancy to begin with - her not even knowing. People not only can go crazy to try to prevent an abortion, other people also can go crazy trying to terminate someone else's pregnancy.

    I'd prefer it be 1.) be behind the counter and 2.) limited to sales to females and 3.) a record kept of anyone who buys it.

    There also needs to be INTENSELY harsh laws passed about giving this to someone without the person's knowledge. Some men and some parents totally freak out learning their girlfriend, mistress or daughter is pregnant. I see potential problems. A women likely wouldn't even known why she lost the ZEF thinking it just a miscarriage. In regards to ZEFs, its like selling cyanide pills OTC. Just slip one to any woman and end a pregnancy she wants, but you don't, in the learn stage. Or even routinely without her knowledge to avoid it happening in the first place. There also is the question of what happens if someone takes a lot of them or slips someone a lot of them at the same time.

    For those reasons I'm not fond of that ruling. Those all are not only very legitimate health concerns, but also assault concerns.
    Only two people know that she was engaged in unprotected carnal knowledge the previous night. I don't know how many days afterward the birth control works, but I cannot fathom someone even thinking about putting this in her food. Well, except for you of course.

    I don't think they should sell to males.

    The judge is correct. Being at an age where pregnancy could occur, is old enough to buy the morning after pill.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And again, your inability to stick to the truth is breathtaking. I did not claim they won't be able to, I said they may not be able to without breaking the provisions of HIPAA.
    And again, you are lying. There is no "may not be able to". HIPAA does not prevent insurers from reporting the purchase of MAPs on their EOB.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    You are mistaken Plan B will NOT cause blood clots.

    It is the estrogen in birth control pills that can cause blood clots but there is no estrogen in plan. Please read my link on post
    # 227 of this thread which explains that is why Plan B is very safe.
    Funny how they say they don't really know if there is an increased risk of blood clots from Plan B. In fact, they say that all of the same risks of birth control are present in Plan B.

    Is Plan B 'Unsafe'?

    And this is because it is supposed to be used as emergency contraceptive, and I am contending that this isn't how many are currently using it. As emergency contraceptive, sure it wouldn't likely cause any problems. But many are using it as a primary contraceptive, which means taking it around once every month or two or more often. That isn't emergency contraception, but main contraceptive.

    And blood clots are listed as a rare side effect of Plan B.

    http://www.webmd.com/drugs/mono-1347...b&pagenumber=6

    http://www.drugs.com/cdi/plan-b-one-step.html

    From the site above:

    you have had a stroke or history of bleeding of the brain, known or suspected breast cancer, or a blood clotting disorder
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your first link says nothing about regular use of MAPs, and your 2nd is a rag with no credibility. Please stop wasting time with your nonsense
    You simply don't like that there is evidence out there that it is being misused.

    And yes, the first one does mention Plan B as being used when college students don't use their birth control properly, which is often.

    Many other students cited birth control pills as a particularly problematic method due to the constant commitment. "I have sex a lot, which is fun. I've forgotten to take the pill a lot, which is not so fun," one student said. "I've had to use Plan B [morning-after emergency contraception]. I try to be more careful now, but I think the pill is an inconvenient method and it's hard for me to remember to take it every day, let alone at the same time every day."
    Pretty much talking about what I said. Oral contraceptives are considered inconvenient and Plan B is the backup used often. If college students have issues using their birth control properly, pretty sure high school students would have even more problems, if they are on it at all.
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