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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The HHS decision and the lawsuits were before this court ruling that the morning after pill would be made available OTC. The OTC argument, however, is just a smokescreen thrown up by Sangha, a favorite tactic of his, to divert from the point being made. I never claimed that insurance companies will cover all OTC drugs or anything remotely similar - I simply stated that the reproductive rights lobby and Obama and his HHS will ensure that Obamacare covers free of charge to the patient the provision of the morning after pill.

    Are you going to sit there and tell us now that HHS is going to remove its regulations requiring that the morning after pill be covered free of charge under Obamacare because a court ruled it should be provided to young teens over the counter? Seriously? I'll have to group you with the nonsense Sangha posts if you do.
    Note how CJ refuses to respond to my argument for why teens who don't want their parents to find out will not use their insurance to pay for MAPs.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The HHS decision and the lawsuits were before this court ruling that the morning after pill would be made available OTC. The OTC argument, however, is just a smokescreen thrown up by Sangha, a favorite tactic of his, to divert from the point being made. I never claimed that insurance companies will cover all OTC drugs or anything remotely similar - I simply stated that the reproductive rights lobby and Obama and his HHS will ensure that Obamacare covers free of charge to the patient the provision of the morning after pill.

    Are you going to sit there and tell us now that HHS is going to remove its regulations requiring that the morning after pill be covered free of charge under Obamacare because a court ruled it should be provided to young teens over the counter? Seriously? I'll have to group you with the nonsense Sangha posts if you do.
    I don't think any insurance company will cover any OTC medications, ever. If they do it'll be a first. At this point I have a long history on my side and you all you have is speculation. If you want to call it "nonsense" then I suggest you revisit the meaning of the word.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

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    Actually, it is part of it, but not the only part. The irregular period thing also plays a part. Don't you think women's bodies may not appreciate getting an extra dose of hormones when it isn't supposed to, sometimes either stopping or starting a period before the body is ready?

    And whether you all want to admit this or not, we aren't talking about responsible women here who would only take that one dose once in a great while, but teenaged girls who are more likely to misuse this than slightly older, college age girls who already admit they are.

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    I know someone personally who was using Plan B as her primary birth control method, until she got pregnant. She used it at least 2 times in 3 months and would have used it more if she had had the money (and this is the times I knew of).

    People are lazy and they have grown accustomed to convenience items. Plan B was meant to be an emergency item, not a convenience item. But it's advantages of being able to be used after the fact, vice other birth control methods has made many view it as a convenient method of birth control. This isn't fiction, or in rare cases, it is reality.
    IOW, the "evidence" of abuse is:

    1) a post on a blog from some anonymous poster on the internet
    2) your anecdote

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Note how CJ refuses to respond to my argument for why teens who don't want their parents to find out will not use their insurance to pay for MAPs.
    Because teens are stupid. We are talking about teens here. They don't always think about their actions. I guarantee you that there have been loads of teens caught buying something they weren't supposed to because they used their parents' credit card and didn't think about their parents getting the bill and being able to see where they bought it or in some cases, even exactly what was bought.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because teens are stupid. We are talking about teens here. They don't always think about their actions. I guarantee you that there have been loads of teens caught buying something they weren't supposed to because they used their parents' credit card and didn't think about their parents getting the bill and being able to see where they bought it or in some cases, even exactly what was bought.
    If a teen is stupid enough to charge the cost to their insurance, then the parents will be notified on the EOB

    Problem solved!!
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It doesn't matter if it's covered or not. A teen who doesn't want their parents to know isn't going to have the insurance pay for it because if they do, the parents will find out about when they get an EOB from the insurance company

    It's just another of the many red herrings the emotionally overwrought like to throw on the table to stink up the discussion.
    The insurance company and the pharmacy may be in contravention of HIPAA if they were to disclose to the parents the child's use of the drug. HIPAA provides that the parents MAY NOT be the minor's personal representative under the act when the minor is the one who consents to care and the consent of the parent is not required under State or other applicable law. Clearly, if the court's ruling in this matter is upheld, the child has the authority to seek and administer the medical care without parental consent so to inform the parent in any way after the fact would be a breach of the act.

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Note how CJ refuses to respond to my argument for why teens who don't want their parents to find out will not use their insurance to pay for MAPs.
    I just did - see above. Note how Sangha changes the subject when he's proven wrong.

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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The insurance company and the pharmacy may be in contravention of HIPAA if they were to disclose to the parents the child's use of the drug.
    Another dishonest claim. Quelle surprise!

    HIPAA does not prevent insurance companies from reporting what it has paid for. In fact, insurance companies are required to report this on their EOBs
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I just did - see above. Note how Sangha changes the subject when he's proven wrong.
    What I saw was your dishonest claim that HIPAA prevents the insurance company from reporting the payment on its EOB.
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    Re: Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't think any insurance company will cover any OTC medications, ever. If they do it'll be a first. At this point I have a long history on my side and you all you have is speculation. If you want to call it "nonsense" then I suggest you revisit the meaning of the word.
    If your comment isn't nonsense, ask yourself this. Currently, the morning after pill is a mandated coverage for insurance policies under the regulations under Obamacare. After this court rules that the drug can be provided OTC to young teens, do you honestly believe that HHS is going to change the regulations to remove the morning after pill from the mandate or are you suggesting that adult women will still have to get a prescription but young teens won't?

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