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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If those patients couldn't be served at cost before, then they would already likely have not been. You don't shed profitable patients; and so when Medicare reductions in reimbursements make patients unprofitable, they take away those patients access to care. There is no such thing as a free lunch, no matter how much we may wish to legislate ourselves one.
    these clinics don't lack patients.

    if they could get rid of all their medicare/medicaid patients, they could make alot more money by taking only patients with insurance.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    these clinics don't lack patients.

    if they could get rid of all their medicare/medicaid patients, they could make alot more money.
    Of course, the Medicare patient will be screwed.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If those patients couldn't be served at cost before, then they would already likely have not been. You don't shed profitable patients; and so when Medicare reductions in reimbursements make patients unprofitable, they take away those patients access to care. There is no such thing as a free lunch, no matter how much we may wish to legislate ourselves one.
    Illness as profit has always struck me as wrong.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

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    Illness as profit has always struck me as wrong.
    Then your sentiment is getting in the way of your rationality. One could just as easily say that hunger as profit is wrong. Then one could look at the result of nationalizing food distribution, and perhaps realize that adopting a system that ill-serves its' people is perhaps more wrong .

    The beauty of trade (and much-maligned 'profit') is that it turns of mankinds' self-interest into the service of others. Take away that mechanism, and mankind does not cease being self-interested, he just ceases serving others.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It was Obama's plan. Jesus.



    Sperling is the President's Chief Economic Advisor.

    White House Admits (Third Time) President Obama Fibbed On Sequester - Forbes
    Yes. It was Obama's plan...

    ...to force Congress to quit being so partisan and doing some real budget balancing.

    And Congress didn't have to do it.

    And Obama can't force Congress to compromise. Separation of powers and all that.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    these clinics don't lack patients.

    if they could get rid of all their medicare/medicaid patients, they could make alot more money by taking only patients with insurance.
    That is not true, as demonstrated by the fact that they have not done so.

    I would urge you to re-read the OP:

    ...After an emergency meeting Tuesday, Vacirca’s clinics decided that they would no longer see one-third of their 16,000 Medicare patients.
    “A lot of us are in disbelief that this is happening,” he said. “It’s a choice between seeing these patients and staying in business....
    If you want to get upset, get upset at the idiots in Washington who thought they could vote themselves a free lunch, and that one would thus magically appear. This is their fault, not the providers.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Then your sentiment is getting in the way of your rationality. One could just as easily say that hunger as profit is wrong. Then one could look at the result of nationalizing food distribution, and perhaps realize that adopting a system that ill-serves its' people is perhaps more wrong .

    The beauty of trade is that it turns of mankinds' self-interest into the service of others. Take away that mechanism, and mankind does not cease being self-interested, he just ceases serving others.
    No, I don't think so. Hunger is quite different. We help with food all the time. We have shelters and soup kitchens, and can feed rather cheaply. But we would say let em starve.

    Medicine deals with core of a person, often life and death, and puts too much power and advantage in the hands of the physician. The costs are too high, and can't really be carried by most. And illness is often communicable, thus creating public health concerns. We do it all ass backwards here.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course, the Medicare patient will be screwed.
    that's what this company seems to be doing when it comes to their medicare patients and are using the sequester as an excuse to do so.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    that's what this company seems to be doing when it comes to their medicare patients and are using the sequester as an excuse to do so.
    Yes, they are. On that we agree.

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    Re: Cancer clinics are turning away thousands of Medicare patients. Blame the sequest

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not true, as demonstrated by the fact that they have not done so.

    I would urge you to re-read the OP:



    If you want to get upset, get upset at the idiots in Washington who thought they could vote themselves a free lunch, and that one would thus magically appear. This is their fault, not the providers.
    if the medicare cut is 2-3%, then why are they cutting 33% of their medicare patients?

    again, this company is using the sequester as an excuse to dump some of it's medicare patients.

    they're lying about the idea they could out of business!!

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