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U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%[W: 831]

Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Jack Hays said:
Not an excuse for the outcome. Merely an account of the history. I don't see anywhere where he denies it was his responsibility to fix it. If you weren't so blinded by hate you'd see that.:cool:
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"Hardly a GWB apologist" ~ Jack Hays, 7:12

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
"Hardly a GWB apologist" ~ Jack Hays, 7:12

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

Oh, btw, there was no recession when Clinton left office, so there was no recession for Bush to inherit.
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The recession that showed itself just as GWB took office was generally understood to have been gestating during the last months of the WJC administration. To his credit, GWB seldom referred to that.:cool:
 
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Jack Hays said:
The recession that showed itself just as GWB took office was generally understood to have been gestating during the last months of the WJC administration. To his credit, GWB seldom referred to that.:cool:
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Again, for the reading impaired ... there was no recession when Clinton left office.

Btw, I got tired of posting your asinine denial that you're "hardly" a Bush apologist. Turns out, you don't stop apologizing for him. So to make life easier on myself, I just added your hysterical denial to my tagline.

Thanks for helpin' out! :2wave:
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Again, for the reading impaired ... there was no recession when Clinton left office.

Btw, I got tired of posting your asinine denial that you're "hardly" a Bush apologist. Turns out, you don't stop apologizing for him. So to make life easier on myself, I just added your hysterical denial to my tagline.

Thanks for helpin' out! :2wave:
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I guess you never got over getting spanked on the Sixteen Words. As I posted earlier, GWB is why I'm no longer a Repub. BHO is why I'll never be a Dem.:cool:
 
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Jack Hays said:
I guess you never got over getting spanked on the Sixteen Words. As I posted earlier, GWB is why I'm no longer a Repub. BHO is why I'll never be a Dem.:cool:
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I don't believe that crap for a second, there are ideological differences between the Republicans and the Democrats. I don't believe you could ever be a Democrat, it has nothing to do with President Obama.
 
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Jack Hays said:
I guess you never got over getting spanked on the Sixteen Words. As I posted earlier, GWB is why I'm no longer a Repub. BHO is why I'll never be a Dem.:cool:
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:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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pbrauer said:
I don't believe that crap for a second, there are ideological differences between the Republicans and the Democrats. I don't believe you could ever be a Democrat, it has nothing to do with President Obama.
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Well, once upon a time I supported Paul Tsongas. Another time it was Bill Bradley. Not everyone is as blinkered as you.:cool:
 
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Jack Hays said:
I guess you never got over getting spanked on the Sixteen Words. As I posted earlier, GWB is why I'm no longer a Repub. BHO is why I'll never be a Dem.:cool:
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I will say this, I never joined a party before, voting from time to time democrat, republican, and third party. But Bush pushed me into joining a party (though I no longer consider myself a democrat). The Republican Party as whole have have alienated me by their foolishness with education, almost a contempt for education.

We'll see how things progress in the future.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Now it's my job to prove what you believe?? :lamoYou said each stimulus job cost us $228. A figure you insisted was how much each job cost .... UNTIL .... until I did the math for you and then you realized you just unwittingly admitted yhat Obama saved/created 3.5 million jobs. A rousing success!
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Got it, you know I don't believe the stimulus worked at all nor do most economists. The numbers speak for themselves, numbers you want to ignore
 
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Boo Radley said:
I will say this, I never joined a party before, voting from time to time democrat, republican, and third party. But Bush pushed me into joining a party (though I no longer consider myself a democrat). The Republican Party as whole have have alienated me by their foolishness with education, almost a contempt for education.

We'll see how things progress in the future.
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Not sure what you mean by "foolishness with education" but I empathize with your general point.:cool:
 
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Jack Hays said:
Well, once upon a time I supported Paul Tsongas. Another time it was Bill Bradley. Not everyone is as blinkered as you.:cool:
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From a recent post of mine:

I was a registered and voted straight Republican for many years, I voted for Nixon twice, Ford, Reagan twice and GHWB in 1988. In 1992 Ross Perot, 1996 Clinton, 2000 Gore, 2004 Kerry and voted for Obama twice. I didn't start getting interested in politics until the early 90s when I listened to Rush Limbaugh. I now vote straight for Democratic candidates, but even they are disappointing at times.​
 
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Jack Hays said:
Not sure what you mean by "foolishness with education" but I empathize with your general point.:cool:
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Mostly NCLB.

But much of the rhetoric that shows contempt for teachers, anti science positions, and what really amounts to an effort to destroy public education, with no coherent replacement based on much misinformation that they propagate also plays a role.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Riiiight. As if the GOP gives a flying **** about black people. :lamo

That doesn't even pass the smile test.

At amy rate, Republican leadership dropped the ball. They get the blame.
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Bolded: inflammatory crapola bait.

At any rate, democratic leadership got what it wanted didnt they? They wanted it blocked, they got it blocked. Soo, what does intent count for?
 
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pbrauer said:
From a recent post of mine:

I was a registered and voted straight Republican for many years, I voted for Nixon twice, Ford, Reagan twice and GHWB in 1988. In 1992 Ross Perot, 1996 Clinton, 2000 Gore, 2004 Kerry and voted for Obama twice. I didn't start getting interested in politics until the early 90s when I listened to Rush Limbaugh. I now vote straight for Democratic candidates, but even they are disappointing at times.​
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We have Perot in common.:cool:
 
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Conservative said:
Got it, you know I don't believe the stimulus worked at all nor do most economists.
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A patently false claim. A large and unsubtle majority of economists and empirical studies on the ARRA found it to have significantly increased job creation during it's lifespan.
 
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a351 said:
A patently false claim. A large and unsubtle majority of economists and empirical studies on the ARRA found it to have significantly increased job creation during it's lifespan.
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Interesting, so going from 146 million working people to 143 million is an increase? Thanks, must be new math and it only cost 6 trillion added to the debt to generate those numbers
 
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Conservative said:
Interesting, so going from 146 million working people to 143 million is an increase?

Thanks, must be new math and it only cost 6 trillion added to the debt to generate those numbers
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There has never been, at any point in our history, 146 million employed individuals, or 143 million for that matter. Employment in the latest recession bottomed out at 129 million towards the end of 2009, well before the bulk of the ARRA was in play. Virtually all empirical studies have found it to have a profoundly positive impact on job creation during the period thereafter.

The total cost of the ARRA was quite obviously a great deal less than 6 trillion. Must be that new math you're alluding to.
 
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a351 said:
There has never been, at any point in our history, 146 million employed individuals, or 143 million for that matter. Employment in the latest recession bottomed out at 129 million towards the end of 2009, well before the bulk of the ARRA was in play. Virtually all empirical studies have found it to have a profoundly positive impact on job creation during the period thereafter.

The total cost of the ARRA was quite obviously a great deal less than 6 trillion. Must be that new math you're alluding to.
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Tell that to the Bureau of Labor Statistics because apparently they have it wrong as the March number was 143 million. Maybe you should take a course in understanding employment/unemployment numbers?

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 
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Conservative said:
Tell that to the Bureau of Labor Statistics because apparently they have it wrong as the March number was 143 million. Maybe you should take a course in understanding employment/unemployment numbers?

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
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I was using strictly non-farm payroll figures. My point stands though. The decline in total employment that you cite as proof of the ARRA's ineffectiveness is chronologically bankrupt, as it ignores the losses of millions of positions well before it's passage, let alone it's actual implementation. There has not been a decline in total employment since either of those dates.
 
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a351 said:
I was using strictly non-farm payroll figures. My point stands though. The decline in total employment that you cite as proof of the ARRA's ineffectiveness is chronologically bankrupt, as it ignores the losses of millions of positions well before it's passage, let alone it's actual implementation. There has not been a decline in total employment since either of those dates.
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Not only the unemployment but very poor GDP Growth, higher debt, high misery index. We were coming out of Recession when ARRA was passed not going into one. I posted the Wall Street Article regarding the failure of the Stimulus and no one could look at the numbers and call it a success.
 
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Conservative said:
Not only the unemployment but very poor GDP Growth, higher debt, high misery index.

I posted the Wall Street Article regarding the failure of the Stimulus and no one could look at the numbers and call it a success.
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None of which could be traced to the ARRA, nor demonstrably effected in an adverse manner by the ARRA. Again, chronologically and factually bankrupt.

Except for the vast majority of economists polled, in addition to the broad studies conducted by top notch stat shops (i.e. Moody's, Goldmans, IHS and others).
 
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a351 said:
None of which could be traced to the ARRA, nor demonstrably effected in an adverse manner by the ARRA. Again, chronologically and factually bankrupt.

Except for the vast majority of economists polled, in addition to the broad studies conducted by top notch stat shops (i.e. Moody's, Goldmans, IHS and others).
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LOL, let me know when those shovels arrive for the shovel ready jobs? Why do you try and defend the indefensible. If the stimulus had worked we would be in full recovery today and the numbers wouldn't be what they are. 500,000 people dropped out of the labor force last month. In a little over 4 years the labor force has grown 1.1 million whereas it used to grow a million a year. There are 143 million working Americans today with a 155million labor force whereas before the recession began and almost 7 trillion less in debt there wre 146 million working Americans with 153.9 million labor force. That is hardly any kind of success. stop buying the rhetoric simply because that is what you want to believe.
 
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