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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The numbers themselves are just fine. It's your pitiful excuse for analysis that needs a whole lot of work here.

    The findings of firms who happen to be the authorities on these types of matters.

    The retainment of a position likely lost without intervention. The most obvious forms being public sector positions retained through supplemental funding that would've otherwise been lost due to revenue shortfalls.



    http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/do...omy-070110.pdf

    What is there to dispute? What findings are actually up for debate here? It's an opinion piece which cites individual interviews as reason enough to label the bill as a failure. I'll pass.
    Opinions are noted and the accuracy of the CBO is there for all to see, very poor. You cannot tell what is a saved job for much of the money went into the state coffers. Theirs is an opinion just like yours but it does seem that the CBO is accurate when a liberal wants it to be accurate and false when it refutes what they say. By what measurable standard was the stimulus successful?

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What is it about conservatism that creates lack of thinking?
    I suppose asking you for evidence to back this up would be asking too much, right?

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    As is yours each and every time you try to analyze data. The numbers are sound, your analysis of WHY the numbers are what they are is what is opinion.
    My analysis is no different than yours, what makes yours right and mine wrong? Answer, your opinion is viewed as fact by you

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I suppose asking you for evidence to back this up would be asking too much, right?
    MAybe when you ask the same from conservative I'll take your request seriously and answer.

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My analysis is no different than yours, what makes yours right and mine wrong? Answer, your opinion is viewed as fact by you
    Ah but see I don't pass my analysis off as fact. I recognize that it is my opinion. You try and pass yours off as fact.

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    MAybe when you ask the same from conservative I'll take your request seriously and answer.
    In other words, you cant back it up. Thanks.

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Keep up the good work.
    Don't tell me you missed my "counterpoint" again?

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ah but see I don't pass my analysis off as fact. I recognize that it is my opinion. You try and pass yours off as fact.
    When did I say my analysis was fact, only the data posted is fact and you already acknowledgedthe data was accurate. I love the excuses Obama supporters make for the data always blaming someone else and never placing any blame on the leader in charge.

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    I was using strictly non-farm payroll figures. My point stands though. The decline in total employment that you cite as proof of the ARRA's ineffectiveness is chronologically bankrupt, as it ignores the losses of millions of positions well before it's passage, let alone it's actual implementation. There has not been a decline in total employment since either of those dates.
    Graph: Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States (USALFPRNA) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

    Labor Participation rate.jpg

    The graph did not allow for later data. ARRA didnt change the particpation rate by much, if at all.

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    Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    By what measurable standard was the stimulus successful?
    While I don't agree with it, the standard that the stimulus was successful was their opinion that MORE jobs would have been lost if not done. I don't agree with it, but it is every much an opinion just like those that say we would have been better off without the stimulus. There is no way to prove any side wrong since both are essentially using opinions to justify success or failure.

    Both sides have used this excuse to justify bad numbers. The right used it when they said Kerry would have been worse than Bush to justify voting for Bush again and the left uses it when they say the economy would have been worse if the stimulus not done so they pushed it.

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