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U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%[W: 831]

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Conservative said:
Don't have to, just look at BLS.gov and get the answers, in December 2007 there were 146 million employed on a labor force of 153.9 whereas today that number is 143 million with a labor force of 155 million so pardon me if I don't get excited about employment growth that just returned to January 2009 levels in a labor force that hasn't kept up with population growth.
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You are not going to get any answers by looking at raw data. Conclusions based on raw data require analysis!
 
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Kushinator said:
You are not going to get any answers by looking at raw data. Conclusions based on raw data require analysis!
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As does understanding human nature which I have seen no evidence from you
 
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Conservative said:
Name for me a successful economic program that Obama proposed or implemented that generated positive economic results? Bush implemented the tax cuts that were fully implemented in July 2003 that generated strong economic results.
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LOL typical hypocroisy. You claimed that Obama was responsible for the economy and you said the buck stops at the president. The same applies to Bush.

Your hypocrisy is noted.
 
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Conservative said:
We have a sinking ship now unless you believe a 17 trillion debt and growing in a 15 trillion dollar a year economy can survive
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Uh, yes, con, we have done so before as a nation.....we do it every day as individuals. And the state of the Union is one of recovery, we keep showing you the glass is getting fuller, all you provide are your old false, debunked arguments that you forget we have heard before.
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, nice spin, but this thread is about Obama and the reality that there are 3 million fewer employed today than when the recession began, 1.1 million increase in the labor force in 4 years which during the Bush years was over a million a month, 500,000 people dropped out of the labor force last month, we had .4% GDP Growth last quarter, and over 6 trillion added to the debt. That is the Obama record that has nothing to do with Clinton, Bush or anyone else other than Obama. Your Bush Derangement Syndrome is filled with misinformation and false information
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You mentioned Clinton. As to Obama, he's restored growth to the economy and avoided the near Depression Bush's misrule brought on.

So you lose on that score too.

NEXT OBAMAPHOBE!
 
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Fenton said:
Lol...you'll buy the drek that comes out of the WH and the lies that comes out of your corrupt ideology.
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LOL, Have you seen the jobs numbers when Obama took office?
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Why dont you spend a little money and actuly aqcuire some WISDOM instead of relying on lies and misinformation.
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I wouldn't spend a penny on a Murdoch owned publication.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Uh, yes, con, we have done so before as a nation.....we do it every day as individuals. And the state of the Union is one of recovery, we keep showing you the glass is getting fuller, all you provide are your old false, debunked arguments that you forget we have heard before.
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Please show me any time in modern history that the debt is 2 trillion more than the yearly GDP and when we had over 100 million dependent on the taxpayers?
 
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Conservative said:
Don't have to, just look at BLS.gov and get the answers, in December 2007...
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Bush was still president for another year, but you base your argument on the end of Congressional terms.

IT IS JUST SUCH A FALLACY!
 
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head of joaquin said:
You mentioned Clinton. As to Obama, he's restored growth to the economy and avoided the near Depression Bush's misrule brought on.

So you lose on that score too.

NEXT OBAMAPHOBE!
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your opinion noted, where is your proof that he prevented a depression? Sorry but there are millions of millions in a depression today because of Obama economic policies.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Bush was still president for another year, but you base your argument on the end of Congressional terms.

IT IS JUST SUCH A FALLACY!
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Who approves budgets and implements economic legislation?
 
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Conservative said:
Please show me any time in modern history that the debt is 2 trillion more than the yearly GDP and when we had over 100 million dependent on the taxpayers?
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You compared debt to GDP, We have had greater levels than 100% of debt to GDP before, we survived. We have had personal levels of debt greater than our incomes and survive. It is a false narrative, but that is all you have.
 
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Conservative said:
As does understanding human nature which I have seen no evidence from you
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Generically stating "human nature" doesn't strengthen your argument. It is a desperate attempt to shift your quantitative deficiency into the the realm of social science. Which would be fine, if and only if you can employ valid sociological and psychological analysis. So far, we have been given empty partisan talking points.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You compared debt to GDP, We have had greater levels than 100% of debt to GDP before, we survived. We have had personal levels of debt greater than our incomes and survive. It is a false narrative, but that is all you have.
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Just how deep can one get into debt, speaking of debt to income ratio, before no one will lend you any more money?
 
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j-mac said:
Just how deep can one get into debt, speaking of debt to income ratio, before no one will lend you any more money?
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Depends, but as far as the US, until your bonds don't sell.

send a pm when that happens..mkay?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Depends, but as far as the US, until your bonds don't sell.

send a pm when that happens..mkay?
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Who is the biggest buyer of US Bonds today minus China? Do you know?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You have done nothing to show how "Obama is responsible (the primary cause of) for the low participation rate".

If you make a claim, back it up with something, not nothing.
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He's the POTUS. The buck stops there.:cool:
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
:lamo :lamo :lamo

Yeah, because Murdoch really liked sticking it to Bush. :roll:

It's funny, because the standard rightie response to posting WSJ articles is usually pointing out how it's just an opinion piece. That wasn't available to you, so you had to switch to plan 'B' and call it a 'hit piece'; when really, it's just the actual numbers as they happened to fall.

Aside from your usual empty deflections, how do you like the numbers in that article?

President ......... Jobs created per year in office
Bill Clinton ............................ 2,900,000
Jimmy Carter ............................ 2,600,000
Lyndon Johnson .......................... 2,300,000
Ronald Reagan ........................... 2,000,000
Richard Nixon ........................... 1,700,000
John F. Kennedy ......................... 1,200,000
Harry Truman ............................ 1,100,000
Gerald Ford ............................... 745,000
George H.W. Bush .......................... 625,000
Dwight Eisenhower ......................... 438,000
George W. Bush ............................ 375,000
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As I have pointed out repeatedly, unemployment under GWB averaged only 5.3%, including the very much worse than average final months. Economists generally regard unemployment of 4% as representing "full employment" for policy purposes. Thus, GWB spent most of his Presidency running within a percentage point or so of full employment. Upshot? GWB created fewer jobs for the simple (and good) reason that fewer jobs needed to be created. :cool:
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Depends, but as far as the US, until
your bonds don't sell.

send a pm when that happens..mkay?
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SEE ??!!

There understanding of something as simplistic as the bond market is one dimensional.

Hey it must be great braagging about the demand of US bonds when the FEDS buying up the vast majority of short term Treasuries.

Unbievable.

Hey what happens when we've absolutely overextended ourselves and there is another reason to borrow other than buying votes ?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You compared debt to GDP, We have had greater levels than 100% of debt to GDP before, we survived. We have had personal levels of debt greater than our incomes and survive. It is a false narrative, but that is all you have.
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Do you have any concept of where the money comes from to run the govt and to pay the debt service on our now 17 trillion dollar debt? It really is frustrating dealing with Obama supporters most of whom are out of touch with reality. The fourth largest budget item now is debt service, where do the funds come from to pay that?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You just said you would not make the correlation between Congressional elections and business cycles, are you going to attempt to do it now?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ate-falls-7-6-w-831-a-150.html#post1061698499
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Take a basic civics class and get back to me. You have shown how little you know calling budgets spending bills and have no idea what a supplemental is so I wouldn't be trying to tell someone about any correlation until you understand how legislation is generated and the difference between budgets and spending bills.
 
Conservative said:
Do you have any concept of where the money comes from to run the govt
and to pay the debt service on our now 17 trillion dollar debt? It really is frustrating dealing with Obama supporters most of whom are out of touch with reality. The fourth largest budget item now is debt service, where do the funds come from to pay that?
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Let them post away. Gimme, Vern, HOJ, everytime they open their mouths they marginalize their position to just below conspiracy.

It just explains how they could arive at their conclusions.

Its a purposeful lack of comprehension.
 
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pbrauer said:
LOL, Have you seen the jobs numbers when Obama took office?
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



I wouldn't spend a penny on a Murdoch owned publication.
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Wait a minute, are you saying Obama has added Net jobs ? After 6 trillion in extra structural debt and a Central Bank stuck on stupid pumping printed currency into the markets so halfwits can come here and start a thread about " How great the Dow is doing " Are you ignoring the 9 million people that have dropped out of the work force ?

Well of-course you are, it's the only way you can keep pushing your bankrupt narrative. It's the only way you can show up here on a day to day basis and continue your perennial misinformation.

Oh but you quoted the BLS......Yea, remove the "L" and that's a fairer representation of what you subject us to post after post. Your President has to touch the truth with a 10 foot poll and wearing full bio-hazard gear because it offends his pathology.

Sorry, I call BS on your every limited effort and watch as your ideology and your President drive this Country's economy into the ground.
 
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Given the 9 million dropped out of the work force, we have never rebounded from this, the 2nd great depression.
 
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Fenton said:
Wait a minute, are you saying Obama has added Net jobs ? After 6 trillion in extra structural debt and a Central Bank stuck on stupid pumping printed currency into the markets so halfwits can come here and start a thread about " How great the Dow is doing " Are you ignoring the 9 million people that have dropped out of the work force ?

Well of-course you are, it's the only way you can keep pushing your bankrupt narrative. It's the only way you can show up here on a day to day basis and continue your perennial misinformation.

Oh but you quoted the BLS......Yea, remove the "L" and that's a fairer representation of what you subject us to post after post. Your President has to touch the truth with a 10 foot poll and wearing full bio-hazard gear because it offendsi his pathology.

Sorry, I call BS on your every limited effort and watch as your ideology and your President drive this Country's economy into the ground.
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LOL It looks you're still angry Mittens lost race even though you thought he would win in a landslide.
 
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