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Senate bill seeks to curb college vote

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Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com

Raleigh, N.C. — A bill filed in the state Senate Tuesday would carry a tax penalty for parents whose children register to vote at their college address.


Senate Bill 667, known as "Equalize Voter Rights," would remove the tax exemption for dependents who register to vote at any address other than their parents' home.

The same provisions on student voting have also been rolled into a larger omnibus bill, Senate Bill 666, which would also shorten early voting days, ban early voting on evenings and weekends and prohibit same-day registration
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North Carolina is in a real competition with South Carolina for the race to most backwards state of the union. NC republicans could try and appeal to more voters, or they could just make laws making it harder for people more likely to vote democrat to vote...
 
Redress said:
Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com



North Carolina is in a real competition with South Carolina for the race to most backwards state of the union. NC republicans could try and appeal to more voters, or they could just make laws making it harder for people more likely to vote democrat to vote...
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Yeah, the republicans are disappointed their political cult hasn't carried more college kids. This is just plain criminal and sure to keep the vote of the youth on the left side of the aisle.
 
Redress said:
Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com



North Carolina is in a real competition with South Carolina for the race to most backwards state of the union. NC republicans could try and appeal to more voters, or they could just make laws making it harder for people more likely to vote democrat to vote...
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I don’t know if this is as sinister as you portray it or not. If you are in the military and stationed at Ft. Bragg, you have to register and vote in your home state district. Not Fayetteville. There are exceptions, if you buy a home in Fayetteville and change your official residence to Fayetteville, they you can register and vote there. But if you reside in on post housing or barracks, you have to vote back in your home state.

I would assume this is in that line of thinking. Those college students from another state have to register and vote in their home states as dorms are just temporary housing much like on post housing would be at Ft. Bragg. My feelings are if an address on Ft. Bragg can’t be used, neither should a college address which is nothing more than a temporary address and not ones official residence.

Now for this part below:

“The bill would also require voters to have their vehicles registered at the same address as their voter registration. That also could cut down on college student registration, since many students maintain their vehicle registration in their home counties.”

The above also makes sense to me. If you live there, your vehicle registration should also be there or where you official residence is.
 
Redress said:
Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com



North Carolina is in a real competition with South Carolina for the race to most backwards state of the union. NC republicans could try and appeal to more voters, or they could just make laws making it harder for people more likely to vote democrat to vote...
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SO, at what point should people stop being allowed to claim a child tax credit? When the kid is 40, or what?
 
Perotista said:
I don’t know if this is as sinister as you portray it or not. If you are in the military and stationed at Ft. Bragg, you have to register and vote in your home state district. Not Fayetteville. There are exceptions, if you buy a home in Fayetteville and change your official residence to Fayetteville, they you can register and vote there. But if you reside in on post housing or barracks, you have to vote back in your home state.

I would assume this is in that line of thinking. Those college students from another state have to register and vote in their home states as dorms are just temporary housing much like on post housing would be at Ft. Bragg. My feelings are if an address on Ft. Bragg can’t be used, neither should a college address which is nothing more than a temporary address and not ones official residence.

Now for this part below:

“The bill would also require voters to have their vehicles registered at the same address as their voter registration. That also could cut down on college student registration, since many students maintain their vehicle registration in their home counties.”

The above also makes sense to me. If you live there, your vehicle registration should also be there or where you official residence is.
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When you join the service, your parents can no longer claim you as a dependent, either.
 
apdst said:
SO, at what point should people stop being allowed to claim a child tax credit? When the kid is 40, or what?
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Its just so bizarre that in an attempt to cut back on people claiming adults as dependents they tie it to voting of all things, why not the address you give on your tax returns or anything else.
 
Redress said:
Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com



North Carolina is in a real competition with South Carolina for the race to most backwards state of the union. NC republicans could try and appeal to more voters, or they could just make laws making it harder for people more likely to vote democrat to vote...
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Why should parents get tax cuts for adult children not living at home? Seems to me if parents want to claim their adult children as dependents then that is where the college student should be registered to vote at. They can vote absentee.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Yeah, the republicans are disappointed their political cult hasn't carried more college kids. This is just plain criminal and sure to keep the vote of the youth on the left side of the aisle.
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More likely this is done to avoid representation w/o taxation (or any true lasting interest). Many college towns have more out of state "temporary" students than year around/permanent residents. Not all elections are national, in fact, only the president is; all other ballot choices are for state/district/local offices and referendum issues.
 
apdst said:
When you join the service, your parents can no longer claim you as a dependent, either.
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True, but I think this may be more to let the kids vote back in their home districts and not from some temporary address. I could be wrong, but this was my take on it. When I was stationed at Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo. I couldn't vote in Missouri as my home of record or official residence was Georgia. I lived in temporary quarters in on base housing. There is no way I should have been allowed to vote in Missouri since I was just temporary living there. Same for college kids.
 
I'm curious - how does each state determine who has a right to vote in their state in Presidential and other federal office elections if a student is registerd as a resident in their parent's home as well as registered as a resident of their college town when that college is in a different state than their parent's residence? Are they allowed to vote for President twice - once at home, perhaps by absentee ballot and once at school, in person? What is done to prohibit such double voting?

Secondly, I see this also as an issue of eligibility for a tax deduction if the student is living away from home for the majority of the year and in some cases all year - are they truly dependents in the normal sense?
 
Perotista said:
True, but I think this may be more to let the kids vote back in their home districts and not from some temporary address. I could be wrong, but this was my take on it. When I was stationed at Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo. I couldn't vote in Missouri as my home of record or official residence was Georgia. I lived in temporary quarters in on base housing. There is no way I should have been allowed to vote in Missouri since I was just temporary living there. Same for college kids.
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As far as I know, college students are able to vote in their home of record, anyway.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm curious - how does each state determine who has a right to vote in their state in Presidential and other federal office elections if a student is registerd as a resident in their parent's home as well as registered as a resident of their college town when that college is in a different state than their parent's residence? Are they allowed to vote for President twice - once at home, perhaps by absentee ballot and once at school, in person? What is done to prohibit such double voting?

Secondly, I see this also as an issue of eligibility for a tax deduction if the student is living away from home for the majority of the year and in some cases all year - are they truly dependents in the normal sense?
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They can't register at two addresses. That's illegal.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Who would know, other than the student? How is this checked?
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Not sure, but it's damn sure illegal. It becomes voter fraud if you vote in both precincts.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Who would know, other than the student? How is this checked?
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apdst said:
Not sure, but it's damn sure illegal. It becomes voter fraud if you vote in both precincts.
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The state has a record of voter registrations. If you register in two places, they'd see it. If someone came in and voted under both of those registrations, that can be seen too.
 
Perotista said:
I don’t know if this is as sinister as you portray it or not. If you are in the military and stationed at Ft. Bragg, you have to register and vote in your home state district. Not Fayetteville. There are exceptions, if you buy a home in Fayetteville and change your official residence to Fayetteville, they you can register and vote there. But if you reside in on post housing or barracks, you have to vote back in your home state.

I would assume this is in that line of thinking. Those college students from another state have to register and vote in their home states as dorms are just temporary housing much like on post housing would be at Ft. Bragg. My feelings are if an address on Ft. Bragg can’t be used, neither should a college address which is nothing more than a temporary address and not ones official residence.

Now for this part below:

“The bill would also require voters to have their vehicles registered at the same address as their voter registration. That also could cut down on college student registration, since many students maintain their vehicle registration in their home counties.”

The above also makes sense to me. If you live there, your vehicle registration should also be there or where you official residence is.
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You are not a dependent when you are in the military. Different situation.
 
apdst said:
SO, at what point should people stop being allowed to claim a child tax credit? When the kid is 40, or what?
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The issue is not the age. This draws the distinction on whether a dependent by whether you vote while at college. In other words, you can be a dependent and at college, as long as you do not vote.
 
jamesrage said:
Why should parents get tax cuts for adult children not living at home? Seems to me if parents want to claim their adult children as dependents then that is where the college student should be registered to vote at. They can vote absentee.
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This bill does not draw a distinction as to where you live, but where you vote.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm curious - how does each state determine who has a right to vote in their state in Presidential and other federal office elections if a student is registerd as a resident in their parent's home as well as registered as a resident of their college town when that college is in a different state than their parent's residence? Are they allowed to vote for President twice - once at home, perhaps by absentee ballot and once at school, in person? What is done to prohibit such double voting?

Secondly, I see this also as an issue of eligibility for a tax deduction if the student is living away from home for the majority of the year and in some cases all year - are they truly dependents in the normal sense?
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apdst is correct on this. You have to show residence to vote. It is how they determine what district you vote in.
 
Having gone to college out of state, I was always able to vote in my home state and never had any desire whatsoever to vote in the elections where I went to school. It isn't right and it shouldn't be allowed. President is not the only thing on the ballot and people who do not have a vested interest in a place should not be allowed to vote for senators, congressmen, local officials, ballot initiatives or anything else. Sorry. The democrats are 100% dead wrong on this issue. Unless someone has set up residence in the state such that they would otherwise qualify to vote, then screw them.
 
apdst said:
As far as I know, college students are able to vote in their home of record, anyway.
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Sure, but if they can register and vote in whatever college town they are going to college in, they can actually vote twice.
 
Redress said:
You are not a dependent when you are in the military. Different situation.
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So if you are a dependent you should vote in what ever district your parents live in and not in the district, town or what ever the college is in.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Who would know, other than the student? How is this checked?
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As a student, I think it depends on where you register as a voter. I was told I couldn't vote on campus for the Orange county elections because I was registered as a Seminole county voter (mind you, my house is like 5 minutes off campus). I drove 5 minutes and filled out a ballot in Seminole County.

In my mind its pretty stupid how it works. We are 20 minutes away from Downtown Orlando, yet they zoned the college in with Orange county instead of Seminole county which is 5 minutes away. So you have a bunch of college kids voting for a mayor in a city they likely never have or never will live in and who really has no effect on policies on the campus.

Truth be told, I'm not even completely in favor of allowing college kids to vote. Most of them are politically active, and politically stupid.
 
Isn't one of the hallmarks of this country the ability to travel between states and conduct business between states at your pleasure? This bill specifically aims to make it more difficult for 18-22 year olds, who already have limited resources, to do so. This bill essentially just aims to penalize families where people study out of state. It's attempting to enforce a kind of state loyalty that goes against the united nature of the United States. States are not permitted to discriminate against visitors from other states. That it is intentionally designed to pressure visiting college students not to register to vote in North Carolina, despite living there for several years, is clear evidence of this sort of discrimination.

Whether or not children over 18 should be claimed as dependents at all is a different issue, but that rule should be applied equally, not to prevent people from traveling.

Perotista said:
So if you are a dependent you should vote in what ever district your parents live in and not in the district, town or what ever the college is in.
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No, you should vote wherever you are residing. What your parents do or do not claim on their tax return should have no impact on your right to vote in elections that govern where you live.
 
Redress said:
This bill does not draw a distinction as to where you live, but where you vote.
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It makes a distinction where you are registered to vote.

Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com

Senate Bill 667, known as "Equalize Voter Rights," would remove the tax exemption for dependents who register to vote at any address other than their parents' home.

"If the voter is a dependent of the voter's parent or legal guardian, is 18 years of age or older and the voter has registered at an address other than that of the parent or legal guardian, the parent or legal guardian will not be allowed to claim the voter as a dependent for state income tax purposes," the bill says.
 
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