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Senate bill seeks to curb college vote

Redress said:
Why should you vote any place other than your residence? That makes zero sense.
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Why should your parents claim you as a dependent if you are voting in another district?

You aren't really a full time resident at college if you're being claimed as a dependent elsewhere.
 
ReformCollege said:
Why should your parents claim you as a dependent if you are voting in another district?

You aren't really a full time resident at college if you're being claimed as a dependent elsewhere.
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What does voting have to do with whether you are a dependent?

Legal residence has nothing to do with dependent status.
 
Redress said:
What does voting have to do with whether you are a dependent?

Legal residence has nothing to do with dependent status.
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Lmao.......... Maybe you should educate yourself alittle. Already, when students fill out FASFA, if they are a dependent they have to fill out their parent's information, including home address. There is no reason why voting should be any different.
 
ReformCollege said:
Lmao.......... Maybe you should educate yourself alittle. Already, when students fill out FASFA, if they are a dependent they have to fill out their parent's information, including home address. There is no reason why voting should be any different.
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Ummm...that has nothing to do with anything. Your residence in the eyes of the law is where you live. Here, let me help you educate yourself: North Carolina General Statutes § 163-57 Residence defined for registration and voting - Legal Research

So long as a student intends to make the student's home in the community where the student is physically present for the purpose of attending school while the student is attending school and has no intent to return to the student's former home after graduation, the student may claim the college community as the student's domicile. The student need not also intend to stay in the college community beyond graduation in order to establish domicile there. This subdivision is intended to codify the case law.
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So, by Noerth Carolina law(you know, what we are talking about here), dependency states is not a factor in determining residency. You are wrong.

Hint: I tend to make it a point to research what I talk about. Simple things like looking up laws is something I do alot. Telling me to educate myself when you have clearly done less is going to end in embarrassment, as it did here.
 
jamesrage said:
Why should parents get tax cuts for adult children not living at home? Seems to me if parents want to claim their adult children as dependents then that is where the college student should be registered to vote at. They can vote absentee.
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Right. kids going to college saves them so much money over paying for 3 squares a day when they are home.
I wonder about your thought process sometines...do you think at all before you post?
 
Redress said:
Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com



North Carolina is in a real competition with South Carolina for the race to most backwards state of the union. NC republicans could try and appeal to more voters, or they could just make laws making it harder for people more likely to vote democrat to vote...
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North Carolina again??

Yesterday they wrote a bill to create a state religion, today they announced plans to cut worker and unemployment benefits, and now this? The hell is going on over there?
 
Deuce said:
The state has a record of voter registrations. If you register in two places, they'd see it. If someone came in and voted under both of those registrations, that can be seen too.
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That presumes your child goes to school in the same state in which the parents live. What if the parents live in New York and the child goes to school in North Carolina? Unless you're saying that all states share all their voters lists with all other states and each of their states cross references the names and SSN or some other form of ID my question still stands. Who ensures that a student who is registered as a resident in New York, at their parents' house, and attending school in North Carolina and registered at their school address, does not cast a federal election vote in both jurisdictions?
 
apdst said:
Not sure, but it's damn sure illegal. It becomes voter fraud if you vote in both precincts.
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That makes me feel better - I've never heard of a college student breaking the law, so there's no problem.
 
Some posters have made a valid point, in my mind, related to the types of things that are on ballots at various times and whether a transient who has no roots in the community and will be gone again in a couple of years has any interest or right to express an interest in those decisions.

As an example, the SSM debate going on in many states. If I live in New York, where SSM is legal, and I go to school in Texas, where it's not, and a ballot proposition comes up related to SSM, why should I as a resident of New York help/hinder the determination of Texans on what they want to do for their state with the issue?
 
Redress said:
Senate bill seeks to curb college vote :: WRAL.com



North Carolina is in a real competition with South Carolina for the race to most backwards state of the union. NC republicans could try and appeal to more voters, or they could just make laws making it harder for people more likely to vote democrat to vote...
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Republicans spend an inordinate amount of time making it incrementally more difficult to vote. it's a lousy strategy, and it's one that I won't be rewarding with my own incrementally more difficult to cast vote.
 
They should just stop allowing parents to claim their adult children as dependents. And at the same time stop using the parents' income as a determining factor if the kid gets financial aid for college.

And frankly, if you are going to live in a place for 4 years and spend your money there, you should have a vote in what goes on there. I am registered to vote in Tarrant County, Texas. I haven't lived there in nearly two decades due to my military career. An out of state kid going to college there should be more entitled to voting in local elections there than I.
 
Redress said:
Ummm...that has nothing to do with anything. Your residence in the eyes of the law is where you live. Here, let me help you educate yourself: North Carolina General Statutes § 163-57 Residence defined for registration and voting - Legal Research



So, by Noerth Carolina law(you know, what we are talking about here), dependency states is not a factor in determining residency. You are wrong.

Hint: I tend to make it a point to research what I talk about. Simple things like looking up laws is something I do alot. Telling me to educate myself when you have clearly done less is going to end in embarrassment, as it did here.
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Lmao. You looked up a law that they are looking to change. For the exact reasons I mentioned already. My point stands, one is not truly a dependent if they are voting in a different location.

Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Either you are a dependent with temporary residence else where, or if you have permenant residency elsewhere then you're an independent. It's an easy concept, and one that the law makers of NC believe should be in effect.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Some posters have made a valid point, in my mind, related to the types of things that are on ballots at various times and whether a transient who has no roots in the community and will be gone again in a couple of years has any interest or right to express an interest in those decisions.

As an example, the SSM debate going on in many states. If I live in New York, where SSM is legal, and I go to school in Texas, where it's not, and a ballot proposition comes up related to SSM, why should I as a resident of New York help/hinder the determination of Texans on what they want to do for their state with the issue?
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If you were a Liberal, horning in on another state's business is exactly what you want to do.
 
Redress said:
Not where you are registered to vote, but where you register to vote.
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Yes the bill is saying if parents want to keep claiming their kids as dependents that their kids have to register where their parents/caregiver lives, not where ever they attend college at. This is reasonable. If parents are taking care of their children it is assumed that their children live under the parents' roof, and that the children will go back home once school is over.
 
I don't get what this has to do with parents getting tax breaks. Most people agree that a young person living at college cannot call that their permanent residence. Dorm assignments change yearly, sometimes twice a year. There are a lot of limitations to having a campus address when you are trying to deal with formal government documents, voting procedures, etc. It's that way in most countries, and most countries acknowledge that campus residence is a grey area.

NC Republicans are just trying to limit the Democratic vote, as usual. It's this and the restructuring of voting districts that really gets on my nerves. This is why I can't vote GOP anymore and haven't for years. Too many dirty, underhanded tricks. If they spent half as much time restoring the party to something more sensible as they do trying to disenfranchise voters, they'd have my support again.
 
The more i read up on this the less it sounds terrible. First, you are not talking about on campus students. As far as i know you cannot use student housing to register as your residence because it is not permanent. The people who this would apply to would be those who have a legitimate residence off campus. Should you really be claiming your kid as a dependent when they have a place of their own and should be providing for themselves? If it is a problem put them in on campus housing and forget about it. If money is actually that much of a problem it is cheaper to stay on campus, and you get the tax breaks. If you are on campus you should not be voting in those town issues anyway because you are not a resident.
 
Sarcogito said:
They should just stop allowing parents to claim their adult children as dependents. And at the same time stop using the parents' income as a determining factor if the kid gets financial aid for college.
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I have to agree with this one. If they are going to tax people once their kid establishes themselves in a new address they also should stop taking the parent's income into account for the children. I knew too many people in college who were trying to get emancipated in their 20's due to the reality the government still counts you as a dependent even if you are working full time and paying all your own bills.
 
So if I'm understanding this correctly, the right wants college kids to go back home to vote, then travel back to college to learn. Is that correct?
 
Tettsuo said:
So if I'm understanding this correctly, the right wants college kids to go back home to vote, then travel back to college to learn. Is that correct?
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Have you not heard of absentee voting in situations where you're temporarily away from your legal residence?
 
Tettsuo said:
So if I'm understanding this correctly, the right wants college kids to go back home to vote, then travel back to college to learn. Is that correct?
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No, you should still be able to get an absentee ballot like always.
 
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