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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Since i know the amendment that you are talking about, what was the first word of it again?
    You need to familiarize yourself with other parts of the Constitution. If I understand you correctly.
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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Libbos would be screaming: "it's ok, because there's nothing in SC's Constitution making it illegal and there damn sure isn't anything in The United States Constitution saying they can't do it".
    Ludicrous.
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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    you understand you indicated the first amendment which specifies congress, right?
    Again, read the 14th amendment as applied by the Courts. Or do you believe States can prohibit freedom of speech and the press also?

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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is it unconstitutional?
    I see your understanding of the U.S. Constitution and American jurisprudence matches your level of understanding in other areas.
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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Again, read the 14th amendment as applied by the Courts. Or do you believe States can prohibit freedom of speech and the press also?

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    Or that a state can house national guard troops in your house, or ban all firearms, or ignore your right against self-incrimination...

    Edit: The third amendment says no soldier shall be quartered in your home. It doesn't say anything about marines! :P
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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The first amendment applies to state governments and declaring an official state religion is a clear violation of the establishment clause.
    But, only if the establishment of a state religion violates the free excercise clause. IMO, SC can create an "official" religion, as long as that religion isn't the only religion that is allowed to be practiced inside the state. i.e. create laws prohibiting other religions.
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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Or that a state can house national guard troops in your house, or ban all firearms, or ignore your right against self-incrimination...

    Edit: The third amendment says no soldier shall be quartered in your home. It doesn't say anything about marines! :P
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    By the way, if you have a state or national church, like in Denmark, you have a situation where you can now force the church to perform and recognize gay marriages (like in Denmark). Ta da! See how the barrier between church and state works?

    Not that a state or national church could be considered constitutional anyway, but still.

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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This isn't in contradiction to the Constitution. As much as I would oppose such a measure (it's bad for religion), it is within the State Powers to declare a State Church. At the time of the Signing of the Constitution, for example, several states had their own respective state churches, and kept them for years.
    I wouldn't put too much stock into some state religions hanging on after the Revolution/adoption of a Constitution. Madison is oft times quoted by 'conservatives' when it suits and he was very clear that in a limited Government picking an official religion was out of the scope of state officers... Reference the Virginia state Constitution. By 1800 all but one state had dropped the state religion laws, the lone hold-out was Mass until 1833- it had a strong Puritan tradition that was viewed with a great deal of suspicion by the Southern states- now the positions are reversed!

    It is a tad ironic that the very force that forced a populous end to state established religions is now pushing to renew the practice. The Great Awakening of Evangelical Denominations demanded an end to the state established sect over all others. Now their descendants want to re-establish what was considered bad in our Founder's day.

    Will be interesting to see if the Tea Party/libertarians/ any other group who believes strongly in limited Government joins this...

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    Re: North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, only if the establishment of a state religion violates the free excercise clause. IMO, SC can create an "official" religion, as long as that religion isn't the only religion that is allowed to be practiced inside the state. i.e. create laws prohibiting other religions.
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