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    Re: Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sometimes I wish Tueller had kept his mouth shut, because his work is some of the most misconstrued and abused information about self-defense on the books, right up there with Grossman's.

    The Tueller Drill is a DRILL. It's purpose is to impress upon police officers that they must take a knifer very seriously and consider him a lethal threat. It originated in a time when too many LEOs were getting killed by knifers, because they failed to treat the knife as a deadly weapon and respond accordingly.

    What is ISN'T: It ISN'T a model for how assaults happen or what can or cannot be done vs a knifer. That is a far more complex subject.

    We have no idea what this lady may or may not have been able to do, had she been armed with some kind of weapon and some reasonable training in its use. We do not know if she may not have had an opportunity to draw the hypothetical weapon in a moment of distraction for the assaulter.


    One thing you learn in a hurry dealing with street criminals on a regular basis, is that nothing is written-in-stone, cut and dried in real life.
    Correct, it's a complicated situation and people can't just declare IF SHE HAD A GUN HURRRRRRRR.

    Someone with a knife at your back has the advantage. If you try to pull a gun, they still have the advantage. It's not impossible for you to kill them, but it's unlikely. I use the 21 foot rule not as some sort of magical barrier within which you are automatically dead, but rather it's a way to demonstrate that even a trained shooter is in serious trouble if their gun isn't out and ready before things become close-quarters. A civilian probably worse.
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    Re: Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Correct, it's a complicated situation and people can't just declare IF SHE HAD A GUN HURRRRRRRR.
    I had another look at the first 40 or so posts and I didn't find where anyone said such a thing.

    This thread is about liberals banning things when they're misused.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Someone with a knife at your back has the advantage. If you try to pull a gun, they still have the advantage. It's not impossible for you to kill them, but it's unlikely. I use the 21 foot rule not as some sort of magical barrier within which you are automatically dead, but rather it's a way to demonstrate that even a trained shooter is in serious trouble if their gun isn't out and ready before things become close-quarters. A civilian probably worse.
    So first you say 'it's complicated' then you say 'THE RAPIST HAD A KNIFE HURRRR'. What happened to it being complicated?

    It's not just that you don't know what you're talking about, it's that you put your foot in your mouth all the time.

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    Re: Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Correct, it's a complicated situation and people can't just declare IF SHE HAD A GUN HURRRRRRRR.

    Someone with a knife at your back has the advantage. If you try to pull a gun, they still have the advantage. It's not impossible for you to kill them, but it's unlikely. I use the 21 foot rule not as some sort of magical barrier within which you are automatically dead, but rather it's a way to demonstrate that even a trained shooter is in serious trouble if their gun isn't out and ready before things become close-quarters. A civilian probably worse.


    ALL effective self-defense begins with an alert and ready mind. Absent that, it is improbable anything will save you.


    However, once one is equipped with the aforementioned alert and ready mind.... some other tools are often handy as well. Like, you know, weapons.


    It's comparable to being a mechanic. First you need mindset and knowlege... but the right tools for the job are also very important.



    One of the problems with the anti-gun/anti-weapon mindset, such as it exists in the UK and also in some places in America, is that it tends to devolve into a mindset that disparages almost all weapons or forms of active defense, or indeed self-reliance entirely.


    It is easily seen here on DP, in the assertions by many of that mindset of "Oh, you couldn't do anything anyway" and "Oh, a gun wouldn't help you" and so forth... it is a mindset of failure, a mindset of helplessness and vicimization, a "No can do" mindset instead of a "CAN do!" mindset... and that "CAN do" mindset is one of the first weapons anyone should possess if they have any thought for providing their own security in an uncertain world.
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    Re: Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint

    Very well said Goshin.
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