Slyfox-your long winded posts turn lots of people off.
Perhaps. But that's their problem, not mine.
and we get the fact you are afraid of guns and don't know much
I have a healthy respect for guns, like any sensible person does. My father is a big fan of guns. He has his concealed carry permit, guns in almost every room of the house, regularly goes to the shooting range, etc. I've been around guns.
But you're right, I probably don't know nearly as much about guns as my father or several people in this thread, though probably more than you credit to me. But since we're not engaging in a debate about guns, but rather education, my relative ignorance to firearms is a moot point. However, the ignorance of other people to education is a far bigger distraction to the debate.
the mythical changing dynamic you bray about premised apparently on a faith-based myth that comes from the anti gunner's book of hysteria.
This is a lot of fancy nonsense. First of all, you're lying if you try to claim a gun doesn't change how people interact with each other. Second of all...faith based myth? Exactly what faith? Third of all, I don't read from an anti gunner's book of hysteria. I have no problems with certain types of guns. I just prefer moderation to extremes and arming teachers is an extreme. Reacting with extreme to an extreme is absurd. And as someone who is a teacher, I know my kids and I know they would react differently with the idea some teachers would be carrying. It's not hysteria, it's just simple logic.
How are kids going to know who is packing.
Okay...I have once before, but I will again, in more detail.
We're going to assume a teacher who is armed will require training, correct? We'll assume (falsely, most likely) the school does NOT pay for the training or firearm, and the teacher does it all on their own (thus mitigating the necessity for the school to publicly declare in their budget the firearms training...this works in your favor). In order for something like this to happen, training requirements would be set for these teachers and they would have to attend classes and have a registered trainer sign off on the hours the teacher prepared him/herself. So already, the teacher of the gun class knows who will be an armed teacher, as will the person who is required to verify the teacher has completed the training (and continues his/her training). There's at least one other person who knows, maybe two.
Now is our teacher (and I'm going to consider the teacher a male from here on out) the only one in the class? Of course not. And since it's unreasonable to have a statewide training in one location, training will be done at a local level. This means our teacher will be training along with other teachers, teachers from the same communities. We also can reasonably assume we're not going to build additional facilities to do this training, so training will be done in many of the same places who are licensed to conduct concealed carry class. Let's say there are 10 other teachers with our own, and the trainer regularly sees 25 customers (a small number, but it'll work). There are now a total of 12 people who know which teacher is attending training, with the possibility of up to 25 more learning from the trainer, who is not required to not tell anyone. Let's say the trainer just tells one of his best customers. Right now there are 13 people who know our teacher will be carrying in the school.
Of course, the school has to know who our carrying teachers are as well. This includes administrators, the board of education and at least one district secretary who will be required to file the information with the state. Using my rather small school as an example, this means all principals will know (3 of them), as will the assistant high school principal, the superintendent, her secretary and the 9 members of the board of education. Now there are 28 people who know which teacher is carrying a weapon. We have not even talked about spouses or children, and we're at 28 people. Of those 28 people, only 5 of them have any real need to keep the information secret (after all, the board of education has to make voters happy so they can be re-elected...they regularly speak on things they shouldn't), so 23 people have the opportunity to tell someone with no real reason they shouldn't. By then, it becomes a game of telephone, and suddenly most in the community know.
But, for arguments sake, let's say none of those people say anything, an unlikely scenario, but we'll address it. Where is a teacher going to keep the gun? Obviously not on his hip, because there's no way that could stay concealed. The two best options that I can see are a shoulder holster covered by a jacket or an ankle holster. The problem with the jacket is that teachers don't wear jackets. A teacher who suddenly started to wear a sports coat all the time would be a pretty good indication he's hiding something. So that's not really a good option. So the only one left is an ankle holster. The problem with an ankle holster is that teachers don't sit at desks. Teachers are constantly up moving around, demonstrating things, contorting to weird positions to help a student. All it takes is for one student to notice the bulge, and then everyone in school will know.
The kids will know. It's just naive to think they wouldn't.
I'd apologize for the "long-winded" response, but I just am trying to answer your question. And I didn't even go into detail about the teacher having to leave class during the active shooter drill.
