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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If Churches were at risk, I wouldn't have any problem with it what-so-ever.
    Every gathering place is at risk. AR-15's are the most popular gun in the country.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It needs to be paired with better security on campus to alert sooner to a threat. The gun will be very close by, and very quick to access, but the box will still restrict access to unauthorized personnel.
    Sure, someone pulls a knife on you and you're going to ask them to wait while you run all the way to the other side of the campus to get your gun.

    That's so ****ing retarded.

    It's incredibly difficult to disarm someone without getting shot in the process. No box required.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think it's a good idea myself. One person. If an alarm was sounded that there was trouble, one guy is going to go "charging into the mix". They don't even do that in law enforcement. One person. With a target on his back. One person. Who, when the chips were down, if he isn't scared to death to get involved, he most assuredly should be. Would that person go charging in??

    No. False sense of security. Waste of resources. For that one person's couple-year salary and benefits, a school could beef up their alarm systems, install wired alarms to the police department, put locks on classroom doors and, with the help of local law enforcement, come up with a first-alert system that might make a difference.

    That and allowing personnel to carry weapons where it's legal to do so is probably the best we can do.
    Meanwhile while you are waiting for the cops that are 5-15 minutes away to respond that shooter is shooting locks and killing people. An alarm system and having locks is all good and all but those are last line of defense type things.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Every gathering place is at risk. AR-15's are the most popular gun in the country.
    And are responsible for < 1% of murders.

    If you're going to be shot, its probably going to be a handgun.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Thank goodness for the NRA providing a plan which would require the purchases of an untold amount of guns and ammunition all across the country. I'm so glad they have children's interests at heart, and not the interest of the gun manufacturers who stand to make an enormous profit from the NRA plan.

    Thank God the NRA is above using a tragedy such as the massacre of children to make buckets of money for the industry who produced the guns and ammunition used in the children's death.
    Maybe Big Sis can spring for a few guns and a bunch of ammunition. She's got a lot of it, after all...paid for with our money.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    So gun owners suddenly switch to "mad" setting when they run amok, spraying bullets into their surroundings. Got you.
    that's really silly. you believe in punishing people before they do anything wrong thinking that will stop those who intend to do wrong from having the tools to murder



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Every gathering place is at risk. AR-15's are the most popular gun in the country.
    another lie. 22 caliber rimfires are far more popular. I suspect there are more remington 870 shotguns than AR 15s as well



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I don't think its a stretch to claim that NYPD officers, in all probability, will have better arms training than almost any teacher packing heat:

    NYPD confirms: All bystanders in Empire State attack hit by police bullets - U.S. News


    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/opinion/frum-guns-safer

    yeah it is a stretch. My 15 year old is far better trained in pistol use than the vast majority of NYPD cops. I doubt he'd shoot at a guy in a door step 41 times and miss as many times as they did. Of course he shoots about 10,000 rounds a year in practice. The average cop shoots less than 200 rounds a year. Most cops are crappy shots but the good news is that most criminals are far worse.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I think liberals overreact in their reliance on new laws, armed guards is also an overreaction. It too breeds an overconfidence that is false and can be as problematic. Once we go down the road of providing armed guards, there will be a lot of roads to cross, just as their is with new laws.
    How so? Having an armed presence in and around schools has prevented shootings from escalating in the past.

    Armed Guard Stops School Shooter After He Opened Fire at Atlanta Middle School

    It could also serve as an active deterrent against future attacks. The sort of disturbed and feckless coward who shoots up a school full of defenseless children isn't exactly the kind of person to willingly walk into a confrontation that they might potentially lose, after all.

    Besides, hiring a couple of rent-a-cops to stand guard is hardly going to break the bank. There is absolutely no logical reason to oppose the more moderate aspects of what the NRA is suggesting here, other than irrational anti-gun bias.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Every gathering place is at risk. AR-15's are the most popular gun in the country.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 04-03-13 at 01:22 PM.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah it is a stretch. My 15 year old is far better trained in pistol use than the vast majority of NYPD cops. I doubt he'd shoot at a guy in a door step 41 times and miss as many times as they did. Of course he shoots about 10,000 rounds a year in practice. The average cop shoots less than 200 rounds a year. Most cops are crappy shots but the good news is that most criminals are far worse.
    I was thinking "most cops have a lot more experience with pistols than my one enlistment". And then I saw 200 rnds/year. What? That must be including desk-jobs that merely 'qualify' occasionally. I expect a street cop or other cops very likely to encounter serious criminals to do 200 rnds per week or, at most, month. Just privately, who wouldn't spend a couple days at the range in such a job.

    What's up with that stat?

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