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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See? I'm not the only one who thought that comment was odd.

    I've been through the school system, in different states even, and I never had any 'relationship' with my teachers. They were just instructors. Our 'relationship' was about as deep as the 'relationship' you have with a salesman or cashier.

    I could see a couple of them having guns...it just fits what they were like...and if I knew they actually did have a gun I would think that was cool.
    Me neither. Never really wanted to have a relationship with any of my teachers either.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh, so all this time you were referring to what you wrote to someone else, not to me.

    Well like I said, if you don't want to carry a gun for any reason, you don't have to.
    good advice-I tire of people who are afraid of guns, untrained with guns, or those who oppose guns mainly because they think gun owners don't buy into their political agenda (normally left wing). If someone is afraid of guns don't own one but don't try to tell those of us who are well trained and knowledgeable that we should have our guns banned so the gun haters can feel better about their issues



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Me neither. Never really wanted to have a relationship with any of my teachers either.
    actually I am upset. In one of the nearby towns there was this gorgeous teacher who slept with several of the football players at Mason HS. I was bummed out that my high school's female teachers were not exactly "babes".



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    In a classroom, for learning to take place, a teacher needs to have a good relationship with the student. Whether it's a friendly relationship or simply a relationship of respect, the teacher needs the children to respect the teacher, for it's only then that learning can truly take place. I have a very good relationship with nearly all of my students, but I have a respectful relationship with all of them. We don't have to like each other, but we do have to understand our proper roles in the classroom. I'm there to dispense information and put the student in a position to learn the information. The student is there to participate in the activities and learn the information. This is based upon the respect we have for one another. It is a relationship of respect between two people.
    This is wonderful, but what does this have to do with anything at all?

    When you introduce a gun, the dynamic changes. I have students who have had parents killed by guns (murder-suicide, for example). I had a student once whose mother put a shotgun in her mouth and pulled the trigger. One of my friends in high school was sitting on a couch when his stepfather fired his weapon and the bullet lodged in the wall barely six inches from my friend's ear. The mentality children have towards guns is different, but it's always cautious and for some children, based upon past experiences, outright fear. As someone who has been around guns yourself, I'm sure you understand what it means to be cautious around a gun, even if you don't understand being afraid of them.
    You DON'T introduce the gun to the classroom, like you've been told repeatedly.

    So when the children know that one or many teachers are now carrying a gun, the dynamic in the class changes. Are the students behaving because of the respect which I discussed earlier, or are they behaving because they know there is a gun nearby? Are their actions the result of respect for me or fear from the gun? To give a similar example, if a police officer walked up to you and asked you to put on a pair of handcuffs because you were a suspect in a rape case, would you do it? Probably not, neither would I. We would likely be indignant and plead our innocence. But if the police officer drew their weapon and advanced upon you in an aggressive fashion, taking time only to throw handcuffs to you telling you to put them on, would you be more likely to do it? Of course you would, so would I.
    Good Lord!

    So it goes in the classroom. The children need to know the teacher is treating them normally, and not with an inflated sense of self-worth, brought about by carrying a firearm. And a teacher needs to know the children are behaving due to the respectful relationship formed between teacher and student, and not because of a gun.
    Again, the children do NOT have to know about the gun.

    The gun changes the dynamic of the situation. It always will, because the gun possess an ability no human being posses...the ability to kill immediately, instantaneously and from a distance. The gun will always change the dynamic of the situation it is in, regardless of whether it is fired or not. Even the knowledge a gun might be present changes the dynamic. You can argue otherwise, but you would be wrong. Don't believe me? Take the advice gun supporters always give and walk down the bad streets of Chicago sometime, unarmed. My bet is the knowledge a gun might be present will have you on edge far more than when you're at your local shopping mall carrying your weapon.
    You don't even make sense. The gun cannot do anything without a person to load it and pull the trigger. I'll bet that you come in contact with people all the time who are carrying and you don't even know. Why are you so fearful?

    A gun changes the dynamic. This is just one reason teachers should not be armed (and there are others). If you want to place police officers in the school, I'm okay with that, I'll probably support that. At which point you get your armed adults and I get my teachers without guns. We're both happy and the children are safe. Which is what we both want, is it not?
    This is just a repeat of what you keep saying repeatedly. The rest of this post is just annoying whining, so I chose to ignore it.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually I am upset. In one of the nearby towns there was this gorgeous teacher who slept with several of the football players at Mason HS. I was bummed out that my high school's female teachers were not exactly "babes".
    I had one good-looking teacher in 4th grade, Mrs. Carey. She was just beautiful, but she was the only one. Never had any hot guy teachers either. Always super dorks.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I had one good-looking teacher in 4th grade, Mrs. Carey. She was just beautiful, but she was the only one. Never had any hot guy teachers either. Always super dorks.
    actually we had a cute 23 year old english teacher. reputed to have had sex with one of my friends-something he owned up to 20 years later. Funny thing when I got to college, a guy in the next suite saw my hs varsity warm up and asked me if I knew this teacher-she went to his school for our senior year. I said-yeah BUT NOT ALL THAT WELL and he started laughing saying one of his buddies-captain of the Lacrosse Team (he went to a prestigious boarding school) knew this teacher REALLY WELL (wink wink) and I said-funny you mention that



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually we had a cute 23 year old english teacher. reputed to have had sex with one of my friends-something he owned up to 20 years later. Funny thing when I got to college, a guy in the next suite saw my hs varsity warm up and asked me if I knew this teacher-she went to his school for our senior year. I said-yeah BUT NOT ALL THAT WELL and he started laughing saying one of his buddies-captain of the Lacrosse Team (he went to a prestigious boarding school) knew this teacher REALLY WELL (wink wink) and I said-funny you mention that
    The same teacher? What was she teaching again?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The same teacher? What was she teaching again?
    yeah she left my school after my junior year (I never knew why-I came back my senior year and she was gone-she had gone to some small catholic girls college but she was pretty much a granola bar hippy chick, hair in a bandana, long print skirts, sandals, black leotard, health food vegetarian). she went to top boarding school. I don't think her move had anything to do with her fling with my friend. Cincinnati was far to socially conservative for someone like her.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah she left my school after my junior year (I never knew why-I came back my senior year and she was gone-she had gone to some small catholic girls college but she was pretty much a granola bar hippy chick, hair in a bandana, long print skirts, sandals, black leotard, health food vegetarian). she went to top boarding school. I don't think her move had anything to do with her fling with my friend. Cincinnati was far to socially conservative for someone like her.
    And she was the sex ed teacher?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And she was the sex ed teacher?
    nah, English. She was really cute. I was mistaken she was actually 25 when the deed happened. She originally was from NYC which explains why she decided to go to an east coast prep school.



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